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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

Wakeforest22890 said:
Yeah I'm in on Warren as the head of the Senate Dems with a younger president. Flip the script on what the GOP has done for the past few years and push a progressive platform through. GOP as a minority party will oppose anything the Democrats want (regardless of whether they're actually extreme viewpoints) so bypass any efforts at bipartisan agreements and let's move the needle back from where the conservative coalition has taken the country since 2012-14.
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Huh? The Dems aren't going to control the senate. So exactly how are you going to get progressive bills to the president's desk?
 
Shooshmoo said:
I don't think she's any more boring than anyone else running. Why is she more boring than Biden? Is Bernie not boring because he gestures wildly with his hands? Is Beto less boring because he jumps on a table?
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Beto has shown little substance. He has virtually no experience. Those are his major weaknesses. I expect him to fall by the wayside fairly early.

Biden engenders positive feelings and has much more experience than Warren. His ties to PA, MI, OH, WI are massively greater than Warren (or anyone else) which is critical to winning the WH and Senate. Biden's possibility of a goof also makes him more exciting.

Bernie's time has come and gone. He would be destroyed by Trump. Every ad would be "socialist". Having Bernie on the ticket would make winning the Senate tougher.

Of those four, Biden would have the best chance to beat Trump, but I'd prefer someone younger.
 
That doesn't really answer the question regarding Warren being more boring than the other candidates -- other than the reference to Biden's possibility of a goof being exciting (I generally find it more cringeworthy).
 
I expect Beto and Biden to tank in the polls after the first primary debate. I expect Warren, Buttigieg and Bernie to all go up commensurately. Harris and Klobuchar will probably be fighting each other for 4th place at that point, and I think Harris will get a bigger bump due to sound bites (she’s just better at them than Klobuchar).

Biden will be around 20% for a while IMO, but eventually he’s going to have to be definitive on some stuff and I think his biggest weakness will be standing next to the other candidates who have been campaigning for a while and trying to show why he’s the better option (which I don’t think he will be able to do). Most voters still think of him as JV Obama, but that imagery will be tough to maintain when he has to debate.
 
RJKarl said:
Beto has shown little substance. He has virtually no experience. Those are his major weaknesses. I expect him to fall by the wayside fairly early.

Biden engenders positive feelings and has much more experience than Warren. His ties to PA, MI, OH, WI are massively greater than Warren (or anyone else) which is critical to winning the WH and Senate. Biden's possibility of a goof also makes him more exciting.

Bernie's time has come and gone. He would be destroyed by Trump. Every ad would be "socialist". Having Bernie on the ticket would make winning the Senate tougher.

Of those four, Biden would have the best chance to beat Trump, but I'd prefer someone younger.
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Yeah, Beto should go away soon.

I disagree with your assessment of the gulf between Biden and Warren for those states you mentioned. Her ideas and the way she speaks to economic inequality will engage those states. Biden worked as Obama's sidekick, but the more he is out there on his own, the more he will flounder. I think Biden's time was 2016 if he wanted to run. His time has passed. He doesn't have the gravitas to make inroads into never-trump republicans (I think Buttigieg has a better chance there, but I also believe that path isn't the path to victory anyways), and I believe a lot of the democratic party has left him behind. He is a nostalgia pick only. If you prefer Biden, I think you should prefer Mayor Pete. I'm not a huge fan of either (insert obligatory "of course I would vote for either in a general").
 
Shooshmoo said:
That doesn't really answer the question regarding Warren being more boring than the other candidates -- other than the reference to Biden's possibility of a goof being exciting (I generally find it more cringeworthy).
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Biden is anything but boring. His speeches are filled with emotion.

Beto is the flavor of the month. When you don't know someone, learning about them has more excitement. But you neglected to see that I said he is going to fade. Trump would destroy Beto.

As to Bernie, he was a unique candidate in 2016 and has maintained a huge infrastructure that loves him. This creates more excitement.

Again, the person I compared her to was Gore. If Clinton hadn't made Gore VP, he'd never have been nominated on his own because of how boring he is.
 
You have said you think she is like Gore but have not yet given any actual reasons why you think that. You’ve said she lacks experience compared to Biden (disagree) and she has less ties to the Rust Belt (eh, maybe, but also largely irrelevant), but have not once said why you think she is boring, other than the milquetoast “too wonky” which is just a banality.
 
I find her wonkiness and style boring. Not because she's a woman, but because she is boring to me. I have every right to feel this way.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
By winning the Senate at some point.
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That won't be 2020. Jones is dead meat in AL unless Moore is again the Pub candidate, but we should hold onto the other Dem held seats. I think Gardner in CO offsets Jones in AL, even without Hickenlooper running - I just don't see a Trump guy winning in CO unless the Dems can't field a decent candidate. What else are we taking? You'd think that Ernst would be vulnerable in IA with Trump's tariffs hurting IA, but Vilsack is apparently not going to run. There was some talk of Susan Collins potentially retiring, but it looks like she's running and has won by large margins in the past. IA and ME are the next 2 most vulnerable seats after CO for Pubs. NC and GA after that. So getting to 48 from 47 would be doing quite well. And in 2022, AZ, WI and PA are the only Pub seats that look remotely vulnerable. Add to that, the president's party usually fares poorly in the midterms. The odds are strongly in favor of the Pubs being in control of the senate for the entire 1st term of any Dem president.
 
RJKarl said:
I find her wonkiness and style boring. Not because she's a woman, but because she is boring to me. I have every right to feel this way.
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So you prefer style over substance?

I don't understand why understanding policy and being able to provide specific details about your thoughts/plans is considered a negative. It's not like she's just regurgitating stats/studies, she clearly outlines the underlying reasons for and goals of each proposal.
 
HuskyDeac said:
So you prefer style over substance?

I don't understand why understanding policy and being able to provide specific details about your thoughts/plans is considered a negative. It's not like she's just regurgitating stats/studies, she clearly outlines the underlying reasons for and goals of each proposal.
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I'm saying she (or anyone else) who is overly wonky is at a big disadvantage if they have low personality levels. A male or female professor will most often lose in a national election in this era. The nation cannot afford another four years of Trump.
 
Seth Moulton is an interesting candidate in that he takes away 3 of Trump's main criticisms.

Trump can't argue that Moulton is a coward or unpatriotic, because he is a veteran, which Trump isn't. He can't say that he is smarter, because Moulton went to Harvard, and he can't say he is socialist or far left liberal, because he is moderate and actually worked to keep Pelosi from being speaker. He's young and people in Mass love him, but that's really it. He is too inexperienced and doesn't really stand out from the crowd. Too many people are already complaining that there are too many white men running, whatever that means.

I just have this picture in my head of people lobbyist and other Dems going to Moulton's office and selling him on his victory, because Trump wouldn't know how to attack him. Could he beat Trump in a general, sure, I think he would pick up alot of the middle, but there is no way he can win the primaries.
 
RJKarl said:
A male or female professor will most often lose in a national election in this era.
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Why would you assume all professors have the same personality or qualifications? Obama was Lecturer at Chicago, wasn't he?
 
I would love a “boring” President who has convictions, takes a stand, and has the ability to articulately back up their proposals.
 
And all entertainers aren't exciting...all of anything doesn't comply...there are always exceptions.

Professorial has a certain connotation. But being pedantic is your thing. Go for it.
 
RJKarl said:
I'm saying she (or anyone else) who is overly wonky is at a big disadvantage if they have low personality levels. A male or female professor will most often lose in a national election in this era. The nation cannot afford another four years of Trump.
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That's fair, though I think the use of wonky rather than well versed or knowledgeable is odd and probably why we view it so differently. I also disagree about low personality. I think she shows plenty of emotion when she speaks and can control it far better than Sanders.
 
TimmyClutch said:
Seth Moulton is an interesting candidate in that he takes away 3 of Trump's main criticisms.

Trump can't argue that Moulton is a coward or unpatriotic, because he is a veteran, which Trump isn't. He can't say that he is smarter, because Moulton went to Harvard, and he can't say he is socialist or far left liberal, because he is moderate and actually worked to keep Pelosi from being speaker.
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Trump would absolutely say all of those things.
 
TimmyClutch said:
Seth Moulton is an interesting candidate in that he takes away 3 of Trump's main criticisms.

Trump can't argue that Moulton is a coward or unpatriotic, because he is a veteran, which Trump isn't. He can't say that he is smarter, because Moulton went to Harvard, and he can't say he is socialist or far left liberal, because he is moderate and actually worked to keep Pelosi from being speaker. He's young and people in Mass love him, but that's really it. He is too inexperienced and doesn't really stand out from the crowd. Too many people are already complaining that there are too many white men running, whatever that means.

I just have this picture in my head of people lobbyist and other Dems going to Moulton's office and selling him on his victory, because Trump wouldn't know how to attack him. Could he beat Trump in a general, sure, I think he would pick up alot of the middle, but there is no way he can win the primaries.
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None of those things would top Trump's criticisms, especially the patriotism one. Trump was perfectly happy attacking McCain, and even a Gold Star family who wasn't even running. You don;t even need Trump for that one-I fully expect either Buttigieg or Moulton to get Swift-boated, should they win.
 
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