Banning Critical Race Theory

[deacdiggler]

UNC never offered according to the mods on IC premium

i actually laughed at this joke. i will now go shower, but that was funny

 

[WakeBored]

I mean, the fact that references to slavery were expunged from the Declaration is a good place to visit. probably a politically expedient decision so the Southern states would sign on.

just a thought

Wut?

The expunged references to slavery--described as a crime against humanity--blamed King George for its existence in the colonies and cited this fact as a reason to declare independence from England. This provision was removed--likely at the insistence of certain Southern states--but neither the original language nor its removal indicates that anyone thought England was going to ban slavery in the colonies or, consequently, that the preservation of slavery was a primary motivation for the revolution, as the 1619 Project claims.

 

[Colonel Angus]

Have you actually read the article from The Atlantic that debates the historical accuracy of some of the points of the 1619 Project ?

When are all of the racist white supremacist fucksticks working at **checks notes** The Atlantic **checks notes again** going to finally learn about "real history"???

 

[deactherunner]

When are all of the racist white supremacist fucksticks working at **checks notes** The Atlantic **checks notes again** going to finally learn about "real history"???

Do you actually know what those criticisms are, or do you only know "The Atlantic criticized the 1619 Project", and thats enough for you to do whatever it is you are doing here?

 

[Milhouse]

he doesn't know anything

 

[Colonel Angus]

Thanks for your valuable input (as always), Goebbels.

But your wife disagrees.

 

[Colonel Angus]

Do you actually know what those criticisms are, or do you only know "The Atlantic criticized the 1619 Project", and thats enough for you to do whatever it is you are doing here?

Yes - I am well aware of the criticisms in The Atlantic article.

Are you familiar with the 1619 Project? If so, what is your favorite essay of the series?

 

[birdman]

Do you actually know what those criticisms are, or do you only know "The Atlantic criticized the 1619 Project", and thats enough for you to do whatever it is you are doing here?

By his own admission, in this very thread, the only thing he knows is that you should not mess with two obscure historical societies. I can't remember which ones, Angus, a little help?

 

[deactherunner]

Yes - I am well aware of the criticisms in The Atlantic article.

Are you familiar with the 1619 Project? If so, what is your favorite essay of the series?

I'm familiar with the mission of the project. Without looking it up, I can't say for sure I've read any of the essays, though I've read some material with similar themes, so I can't say that I haven't.

I just find it amusing when trolls refer to one half of an academic debate that they don't understand either side of as vindication of right-wing talking points about that debate. Much like is happening with CRT.

 

[deactherunner]

yes, of course, I have

the grievance list, at least, in form, is actually reminiscent of medieval estates' gravamina presented to the ruler at the meetings of the diets

the question was why did they declare their independence from Britain; seems like the Declaration of Independence is a good place to start because there they tell you why they are declaring their independence

the British anti-slavery movement did not have any political traction until after the War of Independence and would only achieve successes in the following century

I'll also leave aside the fact that the North, not the South, was the hotbed of the independence movement, not really sure how you can argue that the North was moved to declare independence from Britain so the southern planters could keep their slaves

Slave trade was abolished in the British Empire in 1807-so yeah. "the next century" but in a short enough time that many signers of the DOI lived to see it.

 

[PhDeac]

sailor may want to look up the history of Wall Street, particularly the slave market.

 

[Colonel Angus]

Slave trade was abolished in the British Empire in 1807-so yeah. "the next century" but in a short enough time that many signers of the DOI lived to see it.

Slave trade was abolished in the British Empire in 1807 but slavery wasn't abolished in the Empire for over a quarter of a century later until the 1833 Slavery Abolition Act.

For comparison purposes, the US banned the slave trade (aka importing slaves) beginning in 1808.

 

[WakeBored]

Slave trade was abolished in the British Empire in 1807-so yeah. "the next century" but in a short enough time that many signers of the DOI lived to see it.

So your position is that because many signers of the declaration of independence lived to see the abolition of the British slave trade in 1807 (NB--not the abolition of slavery itself; that didn't occur until 1833), that means one of their primary motivations in declaring independence in 1776 was to preserve the institution of slavery?

 

[PhDeac]

Here's what to know about the debate over 'Wit & Wisdom' curriculum in Williamson schools

https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...ls-critical-race-theory-criticism/5192703001/


What's the criticism?

Arguments against the curriculum fall into two buckets. The first being the belief that "Wit & Wisdom" content isn't appropriate for younger students, and the second being that the curriculum teaches concepts of critical race theory.

Community members and local advocacy organizations have come forward in disapproval of books like "Ruby Bridges Goes to School," "Separate is Never Equal," and "George vs. George," their argument being that teaching about the darker aspects of racism in United States history isn't appropriate in elementary grades.


One of the most vocal groups has been the Williamson County chapter of Moms for Liberty started earlier this year. The group includes members with children in and outside of Williamson County Schools.


...

One of the books she specifically referred to was "Ruby Bridges Goes to School," written by Ruby Bridges herself. Bridges, when she was age 6, was one of the first African American students to integrate New Orleans' all-white public school system.


Steenman said that the mention of a "large crowd of angry white people who didn't want Black children in a white school" too harshly delineated between Black and white people, and that the book didn't offer "redemption" at its end.

...


"Separate is Never Equal" by Duncan Tonatiuh is the story of Sylvia Mendez and her family who fought to end school segregation in California in 1947, seven years before the Brown v. Board Supreme Court ruling.


Steenman said reading about the differences between formerly white and Mexican schools, as well as the idea that Mexican people, like Mendez and her family, were seen as "not smart" and "dirty," forces certain beliefs into the minds of the second graders who spend weeks on the book.


She said she disapproves of guidance for teachers to teach words like "injustice," "unequal," "inequality," "protest," "marching" and "segregation" in grammar lessons.

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For those who don't know, this is Ruby Bridges when she was 6 years old in 1960. She was born after Brown v. Board of Education.

Here's a picture of white schoolboys protesting Ruby Bridges integrating William Frantz Elementary School in New Orleans.

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/11/9338...anti-segregation-icon-ruby-bridges-dies-at-86


Ruby Bridges herself is only 66 years old. Her mom died at 86 only a few months ago. The shitstains in that photo are probably in their 70s now and have likely never stopped making lives hell for Black people.

People like Angus, jhmd, Junebug, and sailor are more likely to stand with them than Ruby Bridges. That's who we're dealing with. They didn't want Black people in their schools in the 1960s. They don't want Black thought in their schools now.

 

[deactherunner]

So your position is that because many signers of the declaration of independence lived to see the abolition of the British slave trade in 1807 (NB--not the abolition of slavery itself; that didn't occur until 1833), that means one of their primary motivations in declaring independence in 1776 was to preserve the institution of slavery?

I'm saying that a nascent abolition movement in England could conceivably motivate our more slavery-inclined founding fathers for the same reason that "Abolish the Police" movement affects large segments of our political discourse despite being implemented almost nowhere in the country. Whether it did or not, I have not read enough to answer, and will leave that aspect of the debate to people who have studied the issue more.

 

[sailordeac]

sailor may want to look up the history of Wall Street, particularly the slave market.

You mean the one that closed in 1762?

 

[Strickland33]

You mean the one that closed in 1762?

how are you so ignorant? i'm not talking about your views on social issues. i'm talking about your basic grasp of US history that isn't even remotely controversial among historians.

 

[Highland Deac]

Here's what to know about the debate over 'Wit & Wisdom' curriculum in Williamson schools

https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...ls-critical-race-theory-criticism/5192703001/


What's the criticism?

Arguments against the curriculum fall into two buckets. The first being the belief that "Wit & Wisdom" content isn't appropriate for younger students, and the second being that the curriculum teaches concepts of critical race theory.

Community members and local advocacy organizations have come forward in disapproval of books like "Ruby Bridges Goes to School," "Separate is Never Equal," and "George vs. George," their argument being that teaching about the darker aspects of racism in United States history isn't appropriate in elementary grades.


One of the most vocal groups has been the Williamson County chapter of Moms for Liberty started earlier this year. The group includes members with children in and outside of Williamson County Schools.


...

One of the books she specifically referred to was "Ruby Bridges Goes to School," written by Ruby Bridges herself. Bridges, when she was age 6, was one of the first African American students to integrate New Orleans' all-white public school system.


Steenman said that the mention of a "large crowd of angry white people who didn't want Black children in a white school" too harshly delineated between Black and white people, and that the book didn't offer "redemption" at its end.

...


"Separate is Never Equal" by Duncan Tonatiuh is the story of Sylvia Mendez and her family who fought to end school segregation in California in 1947, seven years before the Brown v. Board Supreme Court ruling.


Steenman said reading about the differences between formerly white and Mexican schools, as well as the idea that Mexican people, like Mendez and her family, were seen as "not smart" and "dirty," forces certain beliefs into the minds of the second graders who spend weeks on the book.


She said she disapproves of guidance for teachers to teach words like "injustice," "unequal," "inequality," "protest," "marching" and "segregation" in grammar lessons.

---------------------

For those who don't know, this is Ruby Bridges when she was 6 years old in 1960. She was born after Brown v. Board of Education.

Here's a picture of white schoolboys protesting Ruby Bridges integrating William Frantz Elementary School in New Orleans.

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/11/9338...anti-segregation-icon-ruby-bridges-dies-at-86


Ruby Bridges herself is only 66 years old. Her mom died at 86 only a few months ago. The shitstains in that photo are probably in their 70s now and have likely never stopped making lives hell for Black people.

People like Angus, jhmd, Junebug, and sailor are more likely to stand with them than Ruby Bridges. That's who we're dealing with. They didn't want Black people in their schools in the 1960s. They don't want Black thought in their schools now.

It's stuff like this that is exactly what many posters here have been arguing would happen with these new state laws. Teaching about the story of Ruby Bridges has nothing to do with CRT, yet here are some parents trying to keep Ruby's own account of her experience out of schools because it shows white people protesting her admission into the previously segregated New Orleans school system (and she also had to be escorted to school by federal marshals due to death threats). This is what many Social Studies teachers are likely to face this fall - opposition from people and groups like this over things that have nothing to do with CRT, but everything to do with just pointing out racism and incidents of racism in American history, which any good Social Studies teacher will teach, as it's a part of our history. But it may make white kids feel bad, and Donald Trump and other Republicans and Fox News are telling us that all of this stuff in schools is bad, so don't you dare teach it!

 

[Milhouse]

Thanks for your valuable input (as always), Goebbels.

But your wife disagrees.

what the fuck is this you dipshit?

 

[DeaconSig]

Brad claims he fucked your wife. That’s the best insult the little incel could think of.