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Biden/Schumer/Pelosi Accountability Thread

TownieDeac said:
lol already the three of you are trying to thread the needle with a message when apparently dems have the broadest electorate to appeal to

a microcosm of rich dem brain is always on display on this board
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Don’t blame us on bad dem messaging dude
 
TownieDeac said:
lol already the three of you are trying to thread the needle with a message when apparently dems have the broadest electorate to appeal to

a microcosm of rich dem brain is always on display on this board
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Well clearly you have it all figured out since the candidate you supported got steamrolled in the primary. Angry ineffective "do something!" millennial brain on display.

Your argument is that basically you are right about everything, and everybody else in the democratic party coalition is too stupid and/or morally conflicted to see that. It is the same kind of high horse moralizing that you saw out of the Sanders campaign with the predictable results.
 
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you best believe it's time to talk bernie sanders again
 
TenaciousKory said:
you best believe it's time to talk bernie sanders again
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When it is just the same rehashed angry progressive BS that came from our failed revolution, then how can you not draw the same comparisons.

But I am sure that Bernie in the hypothetical world where he was elected President would have been just as effective in getting buy in from Joe Manchin as he was in.........getting elected President.
 
Dems must be fairly progressive, because otherwise Bernie would be the 50th vote, not Manchin. The fact that Manchin and a few others are outliers in the center means the task at hand is to elect more progressive Dems.
 
PhDeac said:
I’m not threading a needle but whatever.

I assume you’re talking about clear and direct messages like $15/hr minimum wage, legal weed, basic fucking human rights, etc.
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yes, issues that 60+% of the country likes

just absolutely hammering those home and not dithering
 
If 60 plus percent of the country really supported those issues with their votes then it wouldn't matter what minority strategy that the republicans used it would be a failure.
 
that's the only thing i don't get - if these ideas are so damned popular why don't they get enacted like all of the minority republican garbage?
 
ImTheCaptain said:
that's the only thing i don't get - if these ideas are so damned popular why don't they get enacted like all of the minority republican garbage?
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Because when the rubber meets the road… those ideas aren't that popular.

Or in cases of things like marijuana legalisation I just don't think they are a significant voting priority for most people on a federal level
 
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ChrisL68 said:
Because when the rubber meets the road… those ideas aren't that popular.

Or in cases of things like marijuana legalisation I just don't think they are a significant voting priority for most people on a federal level
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show your work
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
show your work
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The primary and election results are self evident. They are the most accurate assessment of what people prioritise truly believe and value.

If an unabashed progressive pounding of these what are supposedly insanely popular ideas was really accurate then progressives should blow away the democratic primaries and then win the elections handily.
 
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ChrisL68 said:
The primary and election results are self evident. They are the most accurate assessment of what people prioritise truly believe and value.
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first of all, it's not in a world where we have a first-past-the-poll electoral system

secondly, look at places like Florida where progressive ballot measures pass in spite of Republican candidates being elected

third, look at opinion polling around healthcare, minimum wage, marijuana legalization, etc. -- these things are popular and Democrats can either get them passed or make the Republicans go on record for being against these things
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
first of all, it's not in a world where we have a first-past-the-poll electoral system

secondly, look at places like Florida where progressive ballot measures pass in spite of Republican candidates being elected

third, look at opinion polling around healthcare, minimum wage, marijuana legalization, etc. -- these things are popular and Democrats can either get them passed or make the Republicans go on record for being against these things
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People in these States continue to elect republicans who will often times work in direct opposition of things like minimum waves that they support by ballot initiatives. Progressives who run in these States pushing these ideas hard core aren't even competitive. Yet the contention out of the progressive camp of the Democratic Party is that moderates who can actually win in competitive states should change their messaging to agree with a progressive message that hasn't shown the ability to be very competitive in red leaning states at all and in purple states particularly. Perhaps it's the progressive message that needs adjusting.
 
Tired: Dems don't enact popular progressive politics because they're paid by interests that oppose public, majority-supported issues.

Wired: Dems don't enact popular progressive politics because they disagree with the policies themselves.

Inspired: Dems don't enact popular progressive politics because their models are better at describing what people really want and they're actually very good at winning elections and making popular progress, it's just not apparent or demonstrable or clear in any way.
 
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