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Biden/Schumer/Pelosi Accountability Thread

ChrisL68 said:
The primary and election results are self evident. They are the most accurate assessment of what people prioritise truly believe and value.

If an unabashed progressive pounding of these what are supposedly insanely popular ideas was really accurate then progressives should blow away the democratic primaries and then win the elections handily.
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You're overthinking this. Either that or just being intentionally obtuse.

George W Bush advanced the minimum wage further than Obama or Biden.
 
TownieDeac said:
You're overthinking this. Either that or just being intentionally obtuse.

George W Bush advanced the minimum wage further than Obama or Biden.
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So it's your contention that it's the republicans who are pushing minimum wage increases?

What colour is the sky in your world?
 
TownieDeac said:
Tired: Dems don't enact popular progressive politics because they're paid by interests that oppose public, majority-supported issues.

Wired: Dems don't enact popular progressive politics because they disagree with the policies themselves.

Inspired: Dems don't enact popular progressive politics because their models are better at describing what people really want and they're actually very good at winning elections and making popular progress, it's just not apparent or demonstrable or clear in any way.
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The bs gets deeper and deeper. Of course you will come up with a million rationalisations about why the people you support that use the campaign strategies that you're pushing can't win elections. And it will be the establishments fault.
 
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ChrisL68 said:
The bs gets deeper and deeper. Of course you will come up with a million rationalisations about why the people you support that use the campaign strategies that you're pushing can't win elections. And it will be the establishments fault.
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Biden did actually campaign on a $15 minimum wage, he just backed away from it and used the parliamentarian as cover almost immediately. I don't believe he wants marijuana to be federally descheduled, much less legalized, much less to let the millions of young men and women who have had their lives disrupted or ruined because of nonviolent drug offenses know a moment of peace.

When he said on the trail and what he's still saying today about working with Republicans and them coming to their senses is either:

A) very naive for someone who served in Congress for decades
B) intentionally running cover for not doing the work
C) an electoral long game

I know which of these you think it is, which is Nate Silver brain genius 10D long term chess, option C. I think it's option B, but could be persuaded that it's option A, something that comes with serving way too long in Congress.
 
There are like 6 or 7 dem senators who don't support a nationwide $15 minimum wage. How does the parliamentarian give rationalisation and cover to something that would only get 43 or 44 votes? The votes aren't even close to being there. If you look at support for $15 minimum wage it has very wide differences in urban and rural areas like with the Florida ballot initiative for instance. I can appreciate the arguments both ways.

If you really need to get out of the Brooklyn limousine socialist group think mentality and start looking at things more objectively.

My contention is that federal marijuana legalisation which I support is just not that important an issue to most voters.
 
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BarcaDeac said:
ChrisL: the Senate needs more Manchins, actually
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I am actually quite a bit to the left of manchin but he is certainly better than whatever Republican would be sitting in that seat. He is the only thing that's keeping mcconnell from ramming through more federal judges as we speak.

Some of you just don't like people to tell you how it really is instead of how you want it to be.
 
ChrisL68 said:
I am actually quite a bit to the left of manchin but he is certainly better than whatever Republican would be sitting in that seat. He is the only thing that's keeping mcconnell from ramming through more federal judges as we speak.

Some of you just don't like people to tell you how it really is instead of how you want it to be.
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Umm, no. He is not. If you want to say he is the only thing preventing McConnell from preventing any judge nominated by Biden from being confirmed, then fine.
 
DeaconSig said:
Umm, no. He is not. If you want to say he is the only thing preventing McConnell from preventing any judge nominated by Biden from being confirmed, then fine.
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Point taken. He's certainly the only person that is keeping any of bidens agenda from being dead on arrival.
 
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TenaciousKory said:
i genuinely wish this was true
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I mean I can say I support M4A but then in the next polling question say I want to keep my current employer health insurance plan. Does that really say I support M4A?

If I am voting for a Pub, then where it really counts, I don't support M4A so my answer in that poll is irrelevant.
 
ChrisL68 said:
I am actually quite a bit to the left of manchin but he is certainly better than whatever Republican would be sitting in that seat. He is the only thing that's keeping mcconnell from ramming through more federal judges as we speak.

Some of you just don't like people to tell you how it really is instead of how you want it to be.
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With the way our system is, if you’re in the same party as the president and have the majority, you better fucking be voting for whatever comes your way. At this point, will Manchin even support a Biden SCOTUS nom?
 
I’ve come to the conclusion that a lot of voters just think Republicans want what they want. They want M4A or the principles behind it and assume their Republican politicians want it too. Plenty of people don’t follow this stuff as closely as we do. They’re just convinced Republicans share their values.
 
BarcaDeac said:
With the way our system is, if you’re in the same party as the president and have the majority, you better fucking be voting for whatever comes your way. At this point, will Manchin even support a Biden SCOTUS nom?
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One of McConnell's main initiatives during Trump's term was to overturn ACA and he was unable to do so with a few votes to spare. And none of those senators came from a state that leaned D by 30 points.

Manchin voted for a 4 trillion dollar spending package in reconciliation. That's not exactly a Republican type initiative.
 
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ChrisL68 said:
One of McConnell's main initiatives during Trump's term was to overturn ACA and he was unable to do so with a few votes to spare. And none of those senators came from a state that leaned D by 30 points.

Manchin voted for a 4 trillion dollar spending package in reconciliation. That's not exactly a Republican type initiative.
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Trump oversaw the fastest increase in the debt of any president, almost 36% from 2017 to 2020.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The moment the republican party was able to convince your average Christian that the gop was the party of jesus damaged America as we knew it. They bought in blindly due to being conditioned to be followers. They don't think for themselves. Sheep. They don't even understand that there is not a single republican priority that is aligned with the actual words in the bible attributed to him.
 
TownieDeac said:
Trump oversaw the fastest increase in the debt of any president, almost 36% from 2017 to 2020.
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But they did that through tax cuts which is acceptable to Republican orthodoxy not through a huge government spending program.
 
ChrisL68 said:
People in these States continue to elect republicans who will often times work in direct opposition of things like minimum waves that they support by ballot initiatives. Progressives who run in these States pushing these ideas hard core aren't even competitive. Yet the contention out of the progressive camp of the Democratic Party is that moderates who can actually win in competitive states should change their messaging to agree with a progressive message that hasn't shown the ability to be very competitive in red leaning states at all and in purple states particularly. Perhaps it's the progressive message that needs adjusting.
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none of this speaks to why the Democrats elected to national office do not push for these popular items in Congress
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
none of this speaks to why the Democrats elected to national office do not push for these popular items in Congress
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Some do particularly in reliably blue states. However the popularity is either soft or doesn't translate into a winning electoral strategy in a lot of battleground states.
 
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