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BillBrasky Memorial Political Chat Thread

So you are saying that boomers voted, and still vote and support legislation that benefits their lot?
That has and continues to secure their future above all us. Understood, and no argument there. So we’re and have been selfish with our votes. Not sure that is any different than any other generation. Is it?
can't really say, but there is definitely a mythology of self-sacrifice from the generation prior to the Boomers, or the legacy of New Deal cooperation, the communitarianism of the 60s and the Civil Rights movement, that died with Nixon and the 70s followed by Regan and 80s where the mythology speaks to a turn inward to the nuclear family and individual at the expense of the collective

the feeling is that Boomers benefitted from robust social policies until they were old enough to benefit from the shift toward individual prosperity


at the end of the day, I see "Boomers" as a shorthand for a cohort of folks that roughly fit this narrative and continue to yell at younger generations to pull themselves up when the social programs that lifted them have been stripped away for so many


I don't believe any grand conspiracy through which this was coordinated, and much of it kicked off with Nixon while the generation prior was in leadership, but Boomers are the elder statesmen now, holding a disproportionate amount of wealth and power, and showing no signs of taking steps to undo it
 
Baby boomers started voting between 1972 and 1982 and helped usher in the 12 years of Reagan/Bush policies that entrenched this form of capitalism and effectively ended the New Deal era along with the 8 years of Clinton that did nothing to reverse it.
 
It's been a hot topic out here just north of Greensboro in Summerfield. They have fought hard against multifamily housing, and have lost.

Greensboro has one of the highest eviction rates in the country, too. Probably more of a wages issue than housing issue but I’m not that familiar with the cases
 
Baby boomers started voting between 1972 and 1982 and helped usher in the 12 years of Reagan/Bush policies that entrenched this form of capitalism and effectively ended the New Deal era along with the 8 years of Clinton that did nothing to reverse it.
i have no data on how that age cohort voted, especially in the 70s

but Nixon kicked things off and he was in pre-Boomer coming of age, for the most part
 
i have no data on how that age cohort voted, especially in the 70s

but Nixon kicked things off and he was in pre-Boomer coming of age, for the most part
Boomers were largely shaped by Reagan era politics.
 
Boomers modified most social welfare policies to limit the scope of services and eligibility criteria as part of the neoliberal push that culminated in the Clinton presidency.

Boomers benefitted from inexpensive tuition, access to reasonable home loan financing, and a host of other social programs that became inaccessible to future generations by design.

They did this with their votes, as well as in their roles as administrators and politicians.

The general boomer mindset has largely been “publicly subsidized services for me, but not for thee.”
 
Yeah it’s why with their last final gasp before death they are perfectly fine with say social security privatization or reform as long it’s tied to 50 or below.
 
Winston isn't far behind.

It’s devastating. Southern cities make up a majority of the highest eviction rates.

That’s why it can’t be linked solely to housing affordability. Gotta pay people more and regulate landlords into the ground.
 
It’s devastating. Southern cities make up a majority of the highest eviction rates.

That’s why it can’t be linked solely to housing affordability. Gotta pay people more and regulate landlords into the ground.
Shit load of racism baked into the cake too, the only subset of renters with any real security in this country are young wealthy whites that choose to rent in the city vs buy in the suburbs. Everyone who has to rent is fucked.
 
Askd and answered. I guess I led with my chin on that one. But it was enlightening, especially from the elder hater who believes we still determined to shit on others even with our last breath. There is some real hate going on there. Interesting how many boomers I know feel that today’s younger generation is the most selfish, lazy generation they’ve ever witnessed. (And have dozens of examples of that)
But to each their own I guess. Just another boomer mindset.
 
Askd and answered. I guess I led with my chin on that one. But it was enlightening, especially from the elder hater who believes we still determined to shit on others even with our last breath. There is some real hate going on there. Interesting how many boomers I know feel that today’s younger generation is the most selfish, lazy generation they’ve ever witnessed. (And have dozens of examples of that)
But to each their own I guess. Just another boomer mindset.
Which younger generation? There are at least three, maybe four, younger than the boomers and they are all pretty distinct

when you just say “everyone younger than me is selfish and lazy” it’s not too convincing.
 
Most boomers reference those under 30, They don’t know, and neither do I, what designation they carry.
 
Yeah, but those boomers have been saying the same thing about people under 30 for 20 years.
 
Pretty sure this guy was reading our thread. I almost want to quote the whole thing

Should we believe Americans when they say the economy is bad

Something weird is happening in America. GDP growth for Q3 was just revised up from an already scorching 4.9 per cent to 5.2 per cent, more Americans have jobs than at any time in history, but the public is up in arms about economic conditions, with consumer confidence dropping to a six-month low.
I know what you’re thinking: inflation explains all of this. People really hate rising prices, and are reminded of them every time they buy something. It’s certainly a good theory, but countries all around the world have faced steep inflation. Many steeper than the US. Presumably their consumers are also much more pessimistic than we would expect?Well, no actually. Extending an original analysis by X user Quantian1, I have calculated expected consumer sentiment for a set of countries based on their underlying economic indicators, and compared it to actual sentiment. Relative to the eve of the pandemic, US consumers now appear gloomier than the French, the Germans and even the British. The Europeans all feel about as confident as one might expect based on how their economies are performing. Disproportionate doom seems to be a new American affliction.
Last weekend FocalData ran a poll for me, asking a representative sample of 2,000 US adults whether they thought economic circumstances had improved or deteriorated over recent years. The results were startling: Americans are consistently wrong in the negative direction on almost every measure we polled. By huge margins, they believe inflation is still rising (it’s falling), that it has outstripped wage growth (wages have outpaced prices), and that they have become less wealthy (they’ve become much wealthier).
Attempts to justify this sense of gloom often emphasise the challenges faced by less prosperous groups, but this also goes counter to the evidence. One explanation I heard is that the despondency comes from young people struggling with runaway rents. But wages have risen faster for them than the old, outpacing rents. Plus young consumers are the most positive, per the Michigan survey.
Similarly, wages have risen faster for those on the lowest incomes, reversing more than a third of the increase in wage inequality over the past four decades. Wealth has risen for the least and most wealthy alike.The most striking response from our survey concerned the sense of longer-term progress. Large majorities of Americans think the median income today pays for a worse lifestyle than 30 years ago (demonstrably false), and that poverty is higher than it was a generation ago (it has plummeted). One particularly revealing statistic is that Americans’ assessment of their own financial situation has barely budged over the past five years, but their rating of the national economy has worsened steeply. It seems they have decided that the vibes are bad, so things must be going badly for most other people, even if not for themselves.
 
If the economy's good, FT won't mind if you quote the entire article for those of us who aren't subscribers.
 
Ugh this formatting is terrible, and the graphs are not where they should be, sorry. It was a free article for me though?

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Something weird is happening in America. GDP growth for Q3 was just revised up from an already scorching 4.9 per cent to 5.2 per cent, more Americans have jobs than at any time in history, but the public is up in arms about economic conditions, with consumer confidence dropping to a six-month low. There really is no pleasing some people.With headline indicators in such rude health, we would expect the number of Americans who think they’re better off than this time last year to outnumber those who say they’re worse off by about 25 percentage points. Instead, the reportedly worse-offs outnumber the better-offs by ten points in the latest University of Michigan’s index of Current Economic Conditions.I know what you’re thinking: inflation explains all of this. People really hate rising prices, and are reminded of them every time they buy something. Inflation’s salience drowns out other more distant or intangible gains. It’s certainly a good theory, but countries all around the world have faced steep inflation. Many steeper than the US. Presumably their consumers are also much more pessimistic than we would expect?Well, no actually. Extending an original analysis by X user Quantian1, I have calculated expected consumer sentiment for a set of countries based on their underlying economic indicators, and compared it to actual sentiment. Relative to the eve of the pandemic, US consumers now appear gloomier than the French, the Germans and even the British. The Europeans all feel about as confident as one might expect based on how their economies are performing. Disproportionate doom seems to be a new American affliction.So what’s going on? Last weekend FocalData ran a poll for me, asking a representative sample of 2,000 US adults whether they thought economic circumstances had improved or deteriorated over recent years. The results were startling: Americans are consistently wrong in the negative direction on almost every measure we polled. By huge margins, they believe inflation is still rising (it’s falling), that it has outstripped wage growth (wages have outpaced prices), and that they have become less wealthy (they’ve become much wealthier).Attempts to justify this sense of gloom often emphasise the challenges faced by less prosperous groups, but this also goes counter to the evidence. One explanation I heard is that the despondency comes from young people struggling with runaway rents. But wages have risen faster for them than the old, outpacing rents. Plus young consumers are the most positive, per the Michigan survey.Similarly, wages have risen faster for those on the lowest incomes, reversing more than a third of the increase in wage inequality over the past four decades. Wealth has risen for the least and most wealthy alike.The most striking response from our survey concerned the sense of longer-term progress. Large majorities of Americans think the median income today pays for a worse lifestyle than 30 years ago (demonstrably false), and that poverty is higher than it was a generation ago (it has plummeted). One particularly revealing statistic is that Americans’ assessment of their own financial situation has barely budged over the past five years, but their rating of the national economy has worsened steeply. It seems they have decided that the vibes are bad, so things must be going badly for most other people, even if not for themselves.Political affiliation is also key to understanding how economic sentiments are separating from economic reality in the US. One question from the Michigan survey asks whether people think now is a good time to buy big household items. When the pandemic hit, Democrats and Republicans alike moved sharply towards “not a good time to buy”. But just months later, when Joe Biden won the presidential election — while Covid-19 still raged — Democrats suddenly declared conditions ripe for purchases of new fridge-freezers. Republicans did not.It seems US consumer sentiment is becoming the latest victim of expressive responding, where people give incorrect answers to questions to signal wider tribal political or social affiliations. My advice: if you want to know what Americans really think of economic conditions, look at their spending patterns. Unlike cautious Europeans, US consumers are back on the pre-pandemic trendline and buying more stuff than ever.
 
One thing I’m sure of in my years of living is the ultra rich have been abusing the system.
I have no problem with anyone working hard and honestly to obtain their wealth. But I sure do have a problem how they are allowed to not pay their fair share of taxes. I’m not talking about forcing income equality which I wouldn’t support. But if we had a fair and equitable tax system many of the social programs you say average boomers failed to support or felt they couldn’t afford would have been and still would be very affordable.
 
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