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Donkey Deac Doug said:
FOSTA-SESTA was a tool put in the toolbox designed to smash backpage.com. Backpage.com was basically the opposite of pornhub; it had become a craigslist for sex with prostitutes. The market that it created was very real and difficult for law enforcement to regulate to mitigate some very bad outcomes.

The FOSTA-SESTA tool was a lot like other tools that the Government enacts - overbroad and drafted in a calculated way to make sure that the backpages of the world didn't sneak through a loophole.

But I think it's the way you have to do it; you need services like MCMEC. Developing a prostitution-side NCMEC would be the way to go. https://www.missingkids.org/HOME
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My understanding was an externality of this law was that sex workers relied on Backpage for safety in the sex trade. It was a way of choosing clients and having a digital trace back to their identity. The volume of violent crime against sex workers declined with the advent of Backpage and then slowly climbed back up when it was taken down from FOSTA-SESTA. So for the good it did, it also made conditions less safe for sex workers. That was part of my question, what do you do about something like that? Seems to me like you're grappling with the underlying problem that man can be fundamentally evil, for which there's little we can do.
 
We can stop incentivizing evil for one thing.
 
TownieDeac said:
My understanding was an externality of this law was that sex workers relied on Backpage for safety in the sex trade. It was a way of choosing clients and having a digital trace back to their identity. The volume of violent crime against sex workers declined with the advent of Backpage and then slowly climbed back up when it was taken down from FOSTA-SESTA. So for the good it did, it also made conditions less safe for sex workers. That was part of my question, what do you do about something like that? Seems to me like you're grappling with the underlying problem that man can be fundamentally evil, for which there's little we can do.
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The right way to do it would be to legalize prostitution at the federal and state level. Then have a backpage-like service that can facilitate exactly what you describe. The problem with backpage was the piggy-back market. You'd have a slew of "good" sex workers vetting clients, but then you'd have women who were being forced to continue to have sex with Johns by pimps. Sorting the good sex workers from the forced on backpage was basically impossible for law enforcement to effectively do.

There's such a human element to sex work. It really exposes sex workers to abuse. I think legalization solves a lot of issues.
 
Donkey Deac Doug said:
The right way to do it would be to legalize prostitution at the federal and state level. Then have a backpage-like service that can facilitate exactly what you describe. The problem with backpage was the piggy-back market. You'd have a slew of "good" sex workers vetting clients, but then you'd have women who were being forced to continue to have sex with Johns by pimps. Sorting the good sex workers from the forced on backpage was basically impossible for law enforcement to effectively do.

There's such a human element to sex work. It really exposes sex workers to abuse. I think legalization solves a lot of issues.
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Agree with this--probably easier than trying to relitigate safe harbor/DMCA and the internet side of things endlessly.
 
PhDeac said:
We can stop incentivizing evil for one thing.
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Evil like hiring sex workers or evil like abusing sex workers? Or evil like using garlic powder?

The moral compass isn't going to help anyone in drafting a solution; practical, rational, and logical analysis of how sex workers interact with clients and making that as low-barrier-to-entry is where to start. The higher the barrier to entry, the more opportunity that pimps and control-brokers have to exercise control.
 
was genuinely interested in your perspective on rehabilitation, but I understand if you can't/don't want to share
 
Donkey Deac Doug said:
Evil like hiring sex workers or evil like abusing sex workers? Or evil like using garlic powder?

The moral compass isn't going to help anyone in drafting a solution; practical, rational, and logical analysis of how sex workers interact with clients and making that as low-barrier-to-entry is where to start. The higher the barrier to entry, the more opportunity that pimps and control-brokers have to exercise control.
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That’s not what I was talking about at all.

We need to get rid of the financial incentives for human trafficking, child abuse, and child pornography. Shut down the power behind these industries.
 
PhDeac said:
That’s not what I was talking about at all.

We need to get rid of the financial incentives for human trafficking, child abuse, and child pornography. Shut down the power behind these industries.
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That's not possible. Human trafficking is inherently about sex, money, and control. Child Pornography is rarely about money, it's about control and sex.
 
TenaciousKory said:
was genuinely interested in your perspective on rehabilitation, but I understand if you can't/don't want to share
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I think rehab in sex offenses is something that we're going to figure out a lot like we've been figuring out depression. There are people doing amazing work on this stuff (Dr. Timothy Fong comes to mind). They are really trying to break down what drives CP consumption and what's the proper vector for rehab.

I have hope.

I'll put it this way - as an example, for fraudsters who stole millions of dollars from an orphanage, there was no hope - because there was no desire for change. They didn't view their actions as wrong.

On the other hand, there is a huge segment of the CP consumer population that acknowledges the wrongness and fucking hates that portion of themselves. I don't have a way to totally understand it, but I see a TON of self-loathing in the majority of my CP offenders. They want to change, but they don't know how or why or whatever. However, there's a segment of the larger population of CP offenders that we should straight up just put a bullet in.

My interactions have had this impact: prior to this job, I was undecided on the death penalty but leaning against. After 10 years, I'm fully in favor of it and think it's radically underutilized.
 
If you were going to make a thread called "how many of the following 'white guy things' can you do?", what are you including on your list?

- dance to Jump Around at the timeout break
- navigate the Brooks Brothers' e-store efficiently
- feel aggrieved about the removal of American Indian names and logos from their sports teams
- have a bumper sticker related to an outdoor activity on your car
- have opinions about Civil War military strategy
 
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JuiceCrewAllStar said:
If you were going to make a thread called "how many of the following 'white guy things' can you do?", what are you including on your list?

- dance to Jump Around at the timeout break
- navigate the Brooks Brothers' e-store efficiently
- feel aggrieved about the removal of American Indian names and logos from their sports teams
- have a bumper sticker related to an outdoor activity on your car
- have opinions about Civil War military strategy
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Drink coffee out of a YETI
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
If you were going to make a thread called "how many of the following 'white guy things' can you do?", what are you including on your list?

- dance to Jump Around at the timeout break
- navigate the Brooks Brothers' e-store efficiently
- feel aggrieved about the removal of American Indian names and logos from their sports teams
- have a bumper sticker related to an outdoor activity on your car
- have opinions about Civil War military strategy
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these are perfect.
 
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