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City, Falcons reach deal to build new stadium in downtown ATL (PANTHEON pics update!)

w84it said:
Except that numerous economic studies have shown that professional sports stadiums don't actually generate new revenue, they merely shift where people spend their entertainment dollars. So Atlanta is just spending $200M to ensure that people continue to spend money on the Falcons instead of on, say, going to the theatre.
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Right so now your mom is going to have to find a new line of work. The economic value of her corner has been reallocated. Tough luck for the fam bro.
 
In a few more years, it will have declined to such a miniscule size that you will feel right at home. Like the shire. Or that smurf village.
 
RollWave35 said:
First renderings out for...THE PANTHEON.

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Greetings earthlings. Please come inside for a free energy reading. L. Ron Hubbard is out master.
 
I like the Solarium design too, call it the "Bird House"

Atlanta's a beautiful city esp at night, this would highlight the skyline.
 
After looking at the video the technology with the Pantheon looks like a winner. The way the Solarium opens reminds me of a Bojangles's tailgate box opening up.

Link to Video

[video]http://www.wsbtv.com/videos/news/new-falcons-stadium-renderings/vzmcf/[/video]
 
w84it said:
Except that numerous economic studies have shown that professional sports stadiums don't actually generate new revenue, they merely shift where people spend their entertainment dollars. So Atlanta is just spending $200M to ensure that people continue to spend money on the Falcons instead of on, say, going to the theatre.
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How many of the cities studies bring in as many large sporting events as Atlanta does? Also, how many of those studies looked at the consequences of competing cities that want to lure the sporting events we do have away?

Dave Marvin, a developer in the Lucky Marietta district, would probably disagree with those studies since most of his business comes from the pull of large events to downtown specifically at the Dome and Phillips Arena.

Atlanta just got into the playoff for college football. That may not have happened without the new stadium. You can look at Orlando and the citrus bowl as one of the reasons for their failed bid.
 
I like the Solarium better too - looks both traditional and state-of-the-art at the same time, and would probably age well over the next 20-30 years.

Pantheon looks like it's trying too hard to top the Bird's Nest in Beijing and I think people would be over the design in a couple years. It'll be stale long before the World Cup ever gets here for it to be a showcase for the world.
 
The Solarium appears to convert between an enclosed stadium and a true open-air stadium. The Pantheon looks like an enclosed stadium with a sunroof.

Given that the Falcon’s first choice was an open-air stadium, and they compromised on the retractable roof setup, I’m guessing the final design will be closer to the Solarium.
 
DeacKillsaDevil said:
How many of the cities studies bring in as many large sporting events as Atlanta does? Also, how many of those studies looked at the consequences of competing cities that want to lure the sporting events we do have away?

Dave Marvin, a developer in the Lucky Marietta district, would probably disagree with those studies since most of his business comes from the pull of large events to downtown specifically at the Dome and Phillips Arena.

Atlanta just got into the playoff for college football. That may not have happened without the new stadium. You can look at Orlando and the citrus bowl as one of the reasons for their failed bid.
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Actually there are plenty of papers that show the supposed economic boost from one-off events like the Final Four, the Super Bowl, and even your average bowl games are mostly inflated figures that aren't accurate.

First you have to consider that these numbers don't take into account the fact that there are people who would normally visit a city like Atlanta as tourists who instead avoid it during a big event weekend. Bowl games and the like are obviously designed for tourists and to boost the tourist industries in their respective cities, but for the most part they take place in cities that already have a strong draw as a tourist destination - Atlanta certainly qualifies in this regard. You also have to consider that there are a lot of local residents who are typically going to scale back their spending during those periods in order to avoid crowds of tourists - this certainly affects the food industry, but people also tend to avoid the roads and don't drive to the store and spend their money in non-entertainment ways as well because of the crowds.

Then you have to consider the simple cost that putting on such large events has on local economies, since you're going to have to have more employees to cover the larger crowds, more law enforcement, and a greater strain on the general infrastructure as a whole. Quite often these costs aren't included at all when forecasting the economic impact of events, but they're very real.

And even if you're just talking about the additional money that is going to be made by the area hotels, consider how many of those hotels are chains and whether that money is actually going to go back into the economy - I doubt it matters to Hyatt whether the event is in Atlanta or Orlando, because they're going to make a killing either way. The people who are actually going to be working during these events are still going to be working the same number of hours so that the companies don't have to pay them overtime, and the increase money that actually comes into the system is going right back out to a corporation with a nice tax shelter offshore.

If there is any actual increase in economic impact of hosting big events, its minimal at best and isn't anywhere close to the numbers that are constantly floated in the media.
 
I don't think it'll happen because I don't remember it from the Lost City of Atlanta in Futurama.
 
What ^^^ a load. Have you ever been to a city? Have you ever been to Atlanta? Doesnt sound like it. Thousands of hotel rooms are 110% booked at 3x their normal rates during these weekends. That not only means more revenue for hotel owners (like a LOCAL Atlanta W Hotel franchisee, Deacon Mit Shah), but also more $$$ for all the little people that work in hotels. More shifts and more tips for the bellmen, the maids the bartenders, the waiters, the cabbies, etc. Even the malls are filled with morans in louiville gear and the like walking around cluelessly spending their disposable income. Ohhh lookee we dahnt have that store in keeeeen tuck!!!!

There is a LOT of local impact for the middle to lower middle class during these weekends. Even down to the people selling parking spots in their yards or water and tee shirts outside the stadium. This stadium will be in downtown, which while home to the offices of big law and banks, has historically been a ghostown on the weekends. In the last 10 years, ATL has turned downtown into a tourist district with the world's largest aquarium, a revamped World of Coke, and the new college FB HOF, and a new light rail to connect them all, and the stadiums.

No locals are hanging out downtown on the weekends. They are in midtown, buckhead and the other intown neighborhoods. I drove into and out of the city during FF weekend and did not notice an uptick in traffic. Most people fly in and cab to the hotel. Then they can walk or cab from there.

Thanks for playing though.
 
Also, that solarium thing looks like a glass warehouse. No character whatsoever.

You forget Blank and Benard Marcus started Home Depot. Marcus built the world's largest aquarium, which will be his legacy to Atlanta for decades if not longer. Blank as of now is just the owner of a team. He is putting $800 of his own gd money into this thing as a legacy to the city. Blank and Marcus want to be remembered as benefactors to the city in the same vein as Candler and Woodruff.

IMO, that means he is more likely to build an iconic, one of a kind stadium like the Pantheon, not a square piece of glass.
 
I would NOT want to be standing outside the Solarium when the roof opens. That thing looks ready for shattered chunks of 2 ton glass.

The Pantheon roof opening reminds of ... well, I half expected a new born baby to drop down on the field.
 
TheTwinAndreBen said:
Also, that solarium thing looks like a glass warehouse. No character whatsoever.

You forget Blank and Benard Marcus started Home Depot. Marcus built the world's largest aquarium, which will be his legacy to Atlanta for decades if not longer. Blank as of now is just the owner of a team. He is putting $800 of his own gd money into this thing as a legacy to the city. Blank and Marcus want to be remembered as benefactors to the city in the same vein as Candler and Woodruff.

IMO, that means he is more likely to build an iconic, one of a kind stadium like the Pantheon, not a square piece of glass.
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This says more about this country than anything else written on this thread - Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, and Carnegie founded universities, museums, and the arts. Blank and Marcus want to build sports stadiums that will be torn down in 20 years.
 
w84it said:
This says more about this country than anything else written on this thread - Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, and Carnegie founded universities, museums, and the arts. Blank and Marcus want to build sports stadiums that will be torn down in 20 years.
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Marcus has nothing to do with the Falcons or the Stadium. He is a billionaire philanthopist who built the Georgia Acquarium, the largest acquarium in the world.


Again, thanks for playing.
 
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