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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

TheReff said:
Not that it most likely goes into it, but the diff in the endowments is astounding—$12.7 bill to our $1.8 bill.
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Having a lot of grad programs that bring in money helps them a ton. We barely have any grad programs.
 
deacdixieboy said:
Having a lot of grad programs that bring in money helps them a ton. We barely have any grad programs.
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I was meaning that if the endowment makes somebody wants them more in a conference.
With football as today’s driver, can’t see their bball alone doing it.
 
deacdixieboy said:
Having a lot of grad programs that bring in money helps them a ton. We barely have any grad programs.
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I was meaning that if the endowment makes somebody wants them more in a conference.
With football as today’s driver, can’t see their bball alone doing it
 
B1G+USC/UCLA release new schedule model for 2024

The Big Ten in 2024 will introduce a football schedule model that includes 11 protected matchups across the conference, eliminates divisions and targets a robust overall rotation as the league expands to 16 members with USC and UCLA.

The "Flex Protect Plus" model maintains a nine-game league schedule and contains both guaranteed annual matchups and rotating ones. Beginning in 2024, every conference pairing will take place at least twice in a four-year span, once at each member school's home stadium.

The list of annual protected matchups, which features historic rivalries and trophy games, varies in number among Big Ten teams.

The protected games are: Michigan-Ohio State, UCLA-USC, Minnesota-Wisconsin, Indiana-Purdue, Michigan State-Michigan, Iowa-Minnesota, Illinois-Northwestern, Iowa-Nebraska, Maryland-Rutgers, Iowa-Wisconsin and Illinois-Purdue.
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No Penn State 'rivalries'. But thank a deity that UMCP-Rutgers is preserved.
 
deacdixieboy said:
Having a lot of grad programs that bring in money helps them a ton. We barely have any grad programs.
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"Grad programs" can refer to professional schools (law, business, medicine, engineering) and/or arts & sciences PhD programs (history, chemistry, politics etc.). Wake has 3 graduate professional schools (law, medicine, business) but only a tiny number of PhD programs.

Professional school grads should help your endowment and I am sure that they do at Wake, but PhD grads don't usually create a large number of big contributors to the endowment. PhD programs can generate income (especially in the sciences) but not much endowment.

Duke has a much bigger endowment than Wake mainly because their graduates of undergrad and professional schools have contributed a lot more money to their endowment than comparable Wake grads have contributed to theirs.

In any case, the size of a school's endowment has next to nothing to do with whether a conference would like to include a certain school in its membership. The academic prestige of a school doesn't matter much either (otherwise the ACC never would have admitted Louisville). All that matters is how many eyeballs the school will attract to TV broadcasts of the games involving the school. Wake was able to join the ACC as a founding member, at a time when TV had no impact on college sports. That was a very fortunate move.
 
PhDeac said:
Wake has followed the money and sports prestige at every choice. That’s what separates Wake from Davidson.
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I agree. The different sports destinies of Wake and Davidson come down to football.

Wake was already a traditional football rival of UNC, State and Duke when the founding members of the ACC broke away from the Southern Conference in 1953 to form the new league. Davidson was not in the "Big Four" club and did not fit in the new league. Davidson never played a "big time" football schedule.

So even before TV $ began to flood into the sport (in 1984 when the Supreme Court allowed schools and conferences to control TV rights rather than the NCAA), football was the main force that controlled college sports and the force that determined Wake's sports destiny.
 
CaptRenault said:
"Grad programs" can refer to professional schools (law, business, medicine, engineering) and/or arts & sciences PhD programs (history, chemistry, politics etc.). Wake has 3 graduate professional schools (law, medicine, business) but only a tiny number of PhD programs.

Professional school grads should help your endowment and I am sure that they do at Wake, but PhD grads don't usually create a large number of big contributors to the endowment. PhD programs can generate income (especially in the sciences) but not much endowment.

Duke has a much bigger endowment than Wake mainly because their graduates of undergrad and professional schools have contributed a lot more money to their endowment than comparable Wake grads have contributed to theirs.

In any case, the size of a school's endowment has next to nothing to do with whether a conference would like to include a certain school in its membership. The academic prestige of a school doesn't matter much either (otherwise the ACC never would have admitted Louisville). All that matters is how many eyeballs the school will attract to TV broadcasts of the games involving the school. Wake was able to join the ACC as a founding member, at a time when TV had no impact on college sports. That was a very fortunate move.
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I believe you left out something. Duke graduates make a hell of a lot more money on average than Wake Forest graduates.
 
donaldross said:
I believe you left out something. Duke graduates make a hell of a lot more money on average than Wake Forest graduates.
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Stanford grads probably make more than Southern Cal grads but they didn’t get a B1G invitation over USC.

Duke’s endowment and the earnings of their grads would not help them get an invite to the B1G. The popularity of their basketball program might help a little, but the B1G would much rather have UNC and UVa for the TV eyeballs they would bring.

Again, the determining factor in conference expansion/rearrangement is TV eyeballs (mostly for football) not endowment, not academic prestige, not giving amounts, etc.
 
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