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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

what’s the annual gap between ACC and SEC/BigTen schools- like $50 mm vs. $70 mm?
 
morrison2951 said:
Nope. NCAAT rules and always will.

f$u sucking in hoops now. USF, really??
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Genuine question- do people actually think the ACC is stronger without FSU? And if so, who do you realistically replace them with that you think is stronger?
 
awakegirl said:
Genuine question- do people actually think the ACC is stronger without FSU? And if so, who do you realistically replace them with that you think is stronger?
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F$U needs to quit trash talking the ACC. They do that and it becomes easy to devalue F$U wins over ACC teams. Better to say you are working hard and beating good teams instead of saying you are pounding trash every week.

If F$U leaned into something like "the ACC has a bunch of good teams that beat each other up." And "ACC teams beat more SEC teams than vice versa" this year, they might be in the CFP instead of a New Year's Six Bowl.
 
awakegirl said:
Genuine question- do people actually think the ACC is stronger without FSU? And if so, who do you realistically replace them with that you think is stronger?
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If all f$u does it bitch and moan about the ACC and $$$, even when Wake owned a 3 game football win streak over them, best to let them part ways.
 
Deaconblue said:
F$U needs to quit trash talking the ACC. They do that and it becomes easy to devalue F$U wins over ACC teams. Better to say you are working hard and beating good teams instead of saying you are pounding trash every week.

If F$U leaned into something like "the ACC has a bunch of good teams that beat each other up." And "ACC teams beat more SEC teams than vice versa" this year, they might be in the CFP instead of a New Year's Six Bowl.
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Agree, but what has the ACC done to help them?
 
awakegirl said:
Agree, but what has the ACC done to help them?
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F$U was independent prior to joining the ACC. Gave them a conference championships game to play in (if good enough). Gave them access to bowl games. Guaranteed TV money. "Not enough" now, but plenty the day the current GoR was signed.

Now they want to leave, because the ACC they trashed "isn't good enough?"

Leave 11x whatever somebody thinks your TV rights for all sports are worth, plus $120 million.
 
Deaconblue said:
F$U was independent prior to joining the ACC. Gave them a conference championships game to play in (if good enough). Gave them access to bowl games. Guaranteed TV money. "Not enough" now, but plenty the day the current GoR was signed.

Now they want to leave, because the ACC they trashed "isn't good enough?"

Leave 11x whatever somebody thinks your TV rights for all sports are worth, plus $120 million.
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I think their attitude has been awful but we need them. Instead of going to bat for them so they go all in on the ACC, we appear to be pushing them away. This is super shortsighted IMO.
 
awakegirl said:
I think their attitude has been awful but we need them. Instead of going to bat for them so they go all in on the ACC, we appear to be pushing them away. This is super shortsighted IMO.
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What makes you think they’d go all in on the ACC if we went to bat for them?
 
Deaconblue said:
F$U was independent prior to joining the ACC. Gave them a conference championships game to play in (if good enough). Gave them access to bowl games. Guaranteed TV money. "Not enough" now, but plenty the day the current GoR was signed.

Now they want to leave, because the ACC they trashed "isn't good enough?"

Leave 11x whatever somebody thinks your TV rights for all sports are worth, plus $120 million.
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I agree the FSU has benefited from being in the ACC but they were in the league for 13 years before there was a championship game to play in. And I don't think that not being in a conference kept them out of bowl games, at least initially. Before joining the ACC they played in the Orange Bowl (2x), Cotton Bowl, Gator Bowl (4x), Peach Bowl (2x), Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl (3x), Tangerine/Citrus Bowl (2x), among others.
 
LilburnDeac said:
I agree the FSU has benefited from being in the ACC but they were in the league for 13 years before there was a championship game to play in. And I don't think that not being in a conference kept them out of bowl games, at least initially. Before joining the ACC they played in the Orange Bowl (2x), Cotton Bowl, Gator Bowl (4x), Peach Bowl (2x), Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl (3x), Tangerine/Citrus Bowl (2x), among others.
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ACC - and all of its members- benefited more having FSU in conference than other way around for majority of their 30 year tenure. FSU coming in the 90’s made everyone sharpen pencil in 90’s in what had been largely a basketball focused conference since inception that paid lip service to football season. Focusing more on football in 90’s made conference stronger by early 2000’s and made us on winning side of first re-alignment cycle when Miami, VT, and BC came in.
 
JKW385 said:
ACC - and all of its members- benefited more having FSU in conference than other way around for majority of their 30 year tenure. FSU coming in the 90’s made everyone sharpen pencil in 90’s in what had been largely a basketball focused conference since inception that paid lip service to football season. Focusing more on football in 90’s made conference stronger by early 2000’s and made us on winning side of first re-alignment cycle when Miami, VT, and BC came in.
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FSU had a string of 13 consecutive years ranked #4 or better in the final AP poll - 5 before joining the ACC, and 8 to start their ACC tenure. They won their first, second and third national championships as members of the ACC.

ACC membership has worked out ok for FSU.
 
JKW385 said:
what’s the annual gap between ACC and SEC/BigTen schools- like $50 mm vs. $70 mm?
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Are the SEC and Big Ten contracts sustainable? What will their next contracts look like?
If the current contracts are not sustainable, it would be ironic for teams to jump to these conferences and not see full benefit.
 
If they’re not sustainable, the ACC’s payout likely declines too on our next contract. The gap may close a bit if that does prove true though.
 
I for one won't watch the sec and big20 slobfest CFP at the exclusion of so many other conferences and schools.

Once again, the NCAAT rules.

Nothing is better than the first weekend and its underdog small conference teams upsets. (Thanks big20!)

CFP lost its attraction with its 2 conference money grab.
 
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