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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

FSU's move is ill-advised, but when you have an institution that large with connections all focused on the same goal (leaving the ACC), it will happen. The sovereign immunity angle is interesting and really shitty (yeah, we know we broke written contractual promises, which we fully understood at the time), but hey, it's Florida politics. Agree that FSU's destination is murky at best, but have never been comfortable with the ACC argument, "hey, we are better than the other shitty alternatives". TBH, that's a sad and lame reason to stay.

The CFP decision to leave out FSU was such a debacle, indefensible and frankly, unlucky on so many fronts:

  • Travis getting injured against North Alabama (of all teams)
  • Bama beating Auburn when they had less than a 1% chance of winning
  • Bama beating UGA (if UGA wins that game, neither Bama nor Texas get in); the playoff would have been the 4 unbeaten PV teams.
  • L'ville blowing a late lead and giving up 30+ points to KY, when KY's offense was horrid all year (if L'ville wins that game, FSU gets a top 10 win in the ACCG)
  • Texas went through a mid-season swoon went it was really fortunate to beat Houston, K State in OT and TCU
  • Washington navigating fortunate wins over Wazzu and Oregon
Really was a confluence of factors and if any one had been different FSU gets in, and while they would still be looking to exit the ACC, it would not be the urgent priority that it has become.

Bummer.
 
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Pilchard said:
FSU's move is ill-advised, but when you have an institution that large with connections all focused on the same goal (leaving the ACC), it will happen. The sovereign immunity angle is interesting and really shitty, but hey, it's Florida politics. Agree that FSU's destination is murky at best, but have never been comfortable with the ACC argument, "hey, we are better than the other shitty alternatives". TBH, that's a sad and lame reason to stay.

The CFP decision to leave out FSU was such a debacle, indefensible and frankly, unlucky on so many fronts:

  • Travis getting injured
  • Bama beating Auburn when they had less than a 1% chance of winning
  • Bama beating UGA (if UGA wins that game, neither Bama nor Texas get in)
  • L'ville blowing a late lead and giving up 30+ points to KY, when KY's offense was horrid all year (if L'ville wins that game, FSU gets a top 10 win in the ACCG)
  • Texas went through a mid-season swoon went it was really fortunate to beat Houston, K State in OT and TCU
  • Washington navigating fortunate wins over Wazzu and Oregon
Really was a confluence of factors and if any one had been different FSU gets in, and while they would still be looking to the ACC, it would not be the urgent priority that it has become.

Bummer.
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Add in that it looks even worse with an ACC AD as chair of the committee.
 
Pilchard said:
FSU's move is ill-advised, but when you have an institution that large with connections all focused on the same goal (leaving the ACC), it will happen. The sovereign immunity angle is interesting and really shitty (yeah, we know broke written contractual promises, which we fully understood at the time), but hey, it's Florida politics. Agree that FSU's destination is murky at best, but have never been comfortable with the ACC argument, "hey, we are better than the other shitty alternatives". TBH, that's a sad and lame reason to stay.

The CFP decision to leave out FSU was such a debacle, indefensible and frankly, unlucky on so many fronts:

  • Travis getting injured
  • Bama beating Auburn when they had less than a 1% chance of winning
  • Bama beating UGA (if UGA wins that game, neither Bama nor Texas get in); the playoff would have been the 4 unbeaten PV teams.
  • L'ville blowing a late lead and giving up 30+ points to KY, when KY's offense was horrid all year (if L'ville wins that game, FSU gets a top 10 win in the ACCG)
  • Texas went through a mid-season swoon went it was really fortunate to beat Houston, K State in OT and TCU
  • Washington navigating fortunate wins over Wazzu and Oregon
Really was a confluence of factors and if any one had been different FSU gets in, and while they would still be looking to exit the ACC, it would not be the urgent priority that it has become.

Bummer.
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Yeah it really sucks but they were going to try to find a way regardless. It's just ripping off a band aid in my opinion.
 
Also, timing was very unlucky for the ACC. FSU, Miami and to a lesser extent VT were all football powers prior to entering the ACC. Miami, in particular, sucking for the last 15 years with a series of horrible hires did massive damage to the ACC. All that happened during a time when the college football TV contracts exploded.
 
Pilchard said:
Also, timing was very unlucky for the ACC. FSU, Miami and to a lesser extent VT were all football powers prior to entering the ACC. Miami, in particular, sucking for the last 15 years with a series of horrible hires did massive damage to the ACC. All that happened during a time when the college football TV contracts exploded.
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Bingo. We bought VT and Miami in early 2000's when stock was highest. Miami fell off almost immediately as did FSU which didn't help in mid/late 2000's when SEC was climbing. Needed 2/3 of those to be top 10 teams every year and that never really happened. let's also not forget that Chuck Amato was supposed to make State the next FSU and that didn't happen either. And Tommy Bowden at Clemson. I'm not complaining because all of that allowed WFU to rise in mid 2000's but it was unfortunate on a macro level.
 
JKW385 said:
Hah! Who did we not eat that we could have at the time? Eventually LVille, Pitt came in anyways. WVU is the only one I can think of.
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We probably should’ve gone all in on bball like the Big 12 is doing and added UConn. There were also plenty of discussions about adding schools like Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas when the Big 12 was sinking.
 
The ACC could have added Kansas and WV at any time until the Big 12 bound all teams through their own GOR. Not sure that would have made a huge difference in football. Those teams would have helped offset the decline in basketball (as would UCONN).

While football is and remains the priority, it's similarly incredible how the strong Big East basketball teams have cratered since joining the ACC: L'ville and Cuse (to a lesser extent Pitt and Notre Dame). Those were top 10 natty contenders almost every year. Right now, L'ville is #177, and is one of the worst three PV teams, Cuse is #81 and completely irrelevant nationally, ND is #227 and could be the worst PV team, and Pitt is decent at #42 and a NCAAT last year, but they just went through a five year stretch when they were embarrassingly bad. The schools have joined the ACC have been complete deadweight in the key sports. More than just not helping, their membership has been anchor around the ACC's neck.
 
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That's the thing. You need a super majority to add a school, there isn't an argument that either FSU or Clemson will lead to larger per school shares, and bloating the conference makes it harder to win titles. This isn't like adding Texas and OU or USC and UCLA (with Washington and Oregon on a discount). So, don't see the member schools in either the SEC or Big 10 agreeing to get even larger.

Can see FSU getting out, while thinking they are somehow better off as an independent, but don't think Clemson is that stupid.
 
Pilchard said:
That's the thing. You need a super majority to add a school, there isn't an argument that either FSU or Clemson will lead to larger per school shares, and bloating the conference makes it harder to win titles. This isn't like adding Texas and OU or USC and UCLA (with Washington and Oregon on a discount). So, don't see the member schools in either the SEC or Big 10 agreeing to get even larger.

Can see FSU getting out, while thinking they are somehow better off as an independent, but don't think Clemson is that stupid.
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Clemson also seems to care more about actually winning than FSU and realizes they are in a better spot to do that.
 
I really don't think FSU wants to drop Miami to schedule UCF.
 
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