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Conservative War on Education

And actually, it has been found that kids understand the more abstract functions like fractions, algebraic functions, etc. not by sitting down and just plowing through problems forever until it sticks.

Cut a paper into thirds, and that's how 1/3 works. Showing and not telling.
 
TownieDeac said:
What does that have to do with what I was saying? It was actually Anne Frank's greedy ass dad who wanted to make bank on his daughter's diary that polished it up for delicate sensibilities.
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geedy ass, more like it
 
Rote memorization of times tables is probably the worst way to successfully prepare a kid for success in math.
 
why even send kids to liberal public school when your local church has free bible school every sunday
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
But with respect to math and science at their basic levels, no matter how you want to dress it up with consensus building and hugs, it comes down to a shit ton of memorization.
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I couldn't possibly disagree with this more. Process based learning is integral to any sort of advanced mathematics as well as pretty much the only way to effectively learn Physics and Chemistry.
 
Go said:
I just don't think it hurts to have a 16 year old leave Junior year thinking America is a inherently good place or at least means well but we've got to learn from our past/current sins.
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I have a huge problem with that - it's that kind of stuff that feeds ludicrous nationalism and blind spots, and creates enormous amount of trouble.

"America" isn't an inherently good or bad place. It's a place. It's populated by people. Those people might be good or bad at various times and they are capable of either - often at the same time. To pretend otherwise is to create a myth.

Assigning moral values to cultures and nations is extremely dangerous, stupid and counter productive - feeding an "us and them" scenario that is easily exploitable and extremely toxic.
 
Liquid Karma said:
I couldn't possibly disagree with this more. Process based learning is integral to any sort of advanced mathematics as well as pretty much the only way to effectively learn Physics and Chemistry.
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But the advanced process-based learning is based on the basic memorizations. Of course it is #anecdotes, but as someone who has gone pretty far in life based primarily on math skills, married to someone who has gone pretty far based on bio/chem skills, and the son of someone who literally revolutionized the world based on math skills (and subsequently taught math for years at the high school, university, and doctorate levels), you can't get anywhere unless you have the memorization component down pat. So yeah, you aren't memorizing as much in college and beyond, but you are building off of the memorization that was done at a young age and doesn't go away. If you don't have the basic formulas memorized, you can't effectively understand the more complicated applications.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
But the advanced process-based learning is based on the basic memorizations. Of course it is #anecdotes, but as someone who has gone pretty far in life based primarily on math skills, married to someone who has gone pretty far based on bio/chem skills, and the son of someone who literally revolutionized the world based on math skills (and subsequently taught math for years at the high school, university, and doctorate levels), you can't get anywhere unless you have the memorization component down pat. So yeah, you aren't memorizing as much in college and beyond, but you are building off of the memorization that was done at a young age and doesn't go away. If you don't have the basic formulas memorized, you can't effectively understand the more complicated applications.
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do want to know what your dad did
 
It was a quarter turn to the right, of course.
 
My hs education definitely had a liberal slant. not because of the textbooks but because of the teachers (and probably my peers). I definitely came out thinking liberal =good and conservative =bad.

I had great teachers and got a great education. And I'm pretty liberal as it is. They tried to present both sides, but it was easy to tell where they stood.

Rambling point: a slanted education is not necessarily a bad one if delivered well.
 
And I know that it received bipartisan support (not to mention the fact that two dems and two pubs drafted it), but the last 15 years of education policy came out of GW's presidency, sponsored by the biggest asshole in Congress.

A lot of charter school ideology, policy, and material support comes from conservative quarters, too.
 
Yeah. Today's seniors are products of the conservative takeover of public education. They've spent an incomprehensible amount of time preparing for and taking standardized tests that won't mean jack after they graduate. Many of them attend resegregated schools due to school choice and scaling back of desegregation initiatives. They've had teachers who are vilified as greedy and whose pay hasn't risen with inflation.
 
Go said:
They re-worked the curriculum to put our Nation's history is largely negative light, glossing over the positives and focusing more on the negative aspects of America's founding.

There's plenty of articles w/ a simple google search "AP US History changes"
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lol
 
PhDeac said:
Yeah. Today's seniors are products of the conservative takeover of public education. They've spent an incomprehensible amount of time preparing for and taking standardized tests that won't mean jack after they graduate. Many of them attend resegregated schools due to school choice and scaling back of desegregation initiatives. They've had teachers who are vilified as greedy and whose pay hasn't risen with inflation.
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exactly
 
PhDeac said:
Yeah. Today's seniors are products of the conservative takeover of public education. They've spent an incomprehensible amount of time preparing for and taking standardized tests that won't mean jack after they graduate. Many of them attend resegregated schools due to school choice and scaling back of desegregation initiatives. They've had teachers who are vilified as greedy and whose pay hasn't risen with inflation.
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Republicans screw the government up and blame the Democrats so they can screw the government up some more.
 
I don't think go has any clue what real leftist politics is about. One of the greatest marketing maneuvers the Republicans and Democrats have pulled is this idea that the Democratic part is "left". It's not even fucking close to progressive or left or socialist. The Democratic party is a centrist-right group by most every historic measure. This idea that education policy has been in the domain of the left is bananas.
 
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