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Conservative War on Education

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I love america and generally don't have a feeling of "positive" or "negative" about history b/c I think that's a dumb way to look at it. I'm just wondering if we can get some examples of our history that we should describe as "noble".
 
ImTheCaptain said:
I love america and generally don't have a feeling of "positive" or "negative" about history b/c I think that's a dumb way to look at it. I'm just wondering if we can get some examples of our history that we should describe as "noble".
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We helped usher the Indians (fuck that "Native American" PC-bullshit) into areas where they could open profitable casinos.
 
We saved the world from Nazis and Commies you fucking idiot.

Then Obama came along.
 
Go said:
I like that last paragraph Townie.

Basically, hey we did some really cool stuff but lets not start celebrating because we also did some horrendous shit. I just don't think it hurts to have a 16 year old leave Junior year thinking America is a inherently good place or at least means well but we've got to learn from our past/current sins.
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Can you explain what this means?
 
It probably comes from the same nonsense American education system that teaches that Anne Frank thought "people are inherently good," which is a blatantly fraudulent distortion of her original writing.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
im not even following your thought process with that sentence
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It's one thing for conservatives like Carson to bemoan any discussion of embarrassing parts of our history and quite another to completely distort things. Many Tea Party types want to hold the Founders up as Gods, but the constitution wouldn't have been ratified if slavery had been abolished. Bachmann and Santorum both signed an Iowa social conservative manifesto extolling the family values of slavery. Not only is that not AP history, it's not even remedial history. Trent Lott got bounced as Majority Leader for waxing nostalgically about Dixiecrats. Carson, Bachmann, Palin, and Frothy are all playing to the same ignorant base who don't want to hear anything bad about American history and yet can't grasp basic facts that nobody else disputes.
 
TownieDeac said:
I mean method of pedagogy, not subject matter. You really don't understand the difference?

I'm not talking about which textbooks to teach from. I basically think that we should almost entirely eliminate textbooks from primary education. I'm talking about how you teach, moving away from "turn to page X in book y and let's look at problem z" and towards consensus building, Socratic method, discussion forum. Problem-based learning can also work outside of the repetitive and boring ways that they're forced to be done when you're teaching to a test. Ultimately, when teachers are allowed to come up with inventive ways to teach kids themselves, they often do a really, really good job of it. When they're forced to go through the motions, they aren't into it and neither are the kids.

Not one word of that paragraph has to do with the subject matter being taught.
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I typed out a really long answer but then realized that it would just be dismissed as anecdotes, so I won't bother.
 
TownieDeac said:
I mean method of pedagogy, not subject matter. You really don't understand the difference?

I'm not talking about which textbooks to teach from. I basically think that we should almost entirely eliminate textbooks from primary education. I'm talking about how you teach, moving away from "turn to page X in book y and let's look at problem z" and towards consensus building, Socratic method, discussion forum. Problem-based learning can also work outside of the repetitive and boring ways that they're forced to be done when you're teaching to a test. Ultimately, when teachers are allowed to come up with inventive ways to teach kids themselves, they often do a really, really good job of it. When they're forced to go through the motions, they aren't into it and neither are the kids.

Not one word of that paragraph has to do with the subject matter being taught.
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Since ITC effectively rustled my jimmies with that .gif, I'll make my point briefly. Touring schools for my kids, I notice a lot of the charter schools try to differentiate themselves from the traditional public/private schools by going down the road of consensus building, socratic, discussion focus, etc., which sounds great in theory. But with respect to math and science at their basic levels, no matter how you want to dress it up with consensus building and hugs, it comes down to a shit ton of memorization. And there is no way around that. So while I know that the millennial approach is to tailor everything to each individual student, but for some extremely important things you just have to park your ass in the chair and memorize it. And if you aren't teaching it that way, then in effect you aren't teaching that subject matter because those building blocks get lost.
 
TownieDeac said:
It probably comes from the same nonsense American education system that teaches that Anne Frank thought "people are inherently good," which is a blatantly fraudulent distortion of her original writing.
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Public ed and higher learning has been the domain of the Left for decades.
 
Go said:
Public ed and higher learning has been the domain of the Left for decades.
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But the textbooks tend to be influenced by Texas with the large population buying textbooks, which skews the books more conservative.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Since ITC effectively rustled my jimmies with that .gif, I'll make my point briefly. Touring schools for my kids, I notice a lot of the charter schools try to differentiate themselves from the traditional public/private schools by going down the road of consensus building, socratic, discussion focus, etc., which sounds great in theory. But with respect to math and science at their basic levels, no matter how you want to dress it up with consensus building and hugs, it comes down to a shit ton of memorization. And there is no way around that. So while I know that the millennial approach is to tailor everything to each individual student, but for some extremely important things you just have to park your ass in the chair and memorize it. And if you aren't teaching it that way, then in effect you aren't teaching that subject matter because those building blocks get lost.
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Yes and no. You know how you keep students engaged and interested for the times when rote memorization is important? By mixing up the routine, by getting them discussing things, and by making them feel like there's real world applications to what they're learning. Yes, at the end of the day, of course kids have to fucking learn things, that goes without saying. Accommodating different learning styles isn't even ultimately what I was talking about, but participation trophy to you for trying.
 
Go said:
Public ed and higher learning has been the domain of the Left for decades.
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What does that have to do with what I was saying? It was actually Anne Frank's greedy ass dad who wanted to make bank on his daughter's diary that polished it up for delicate sensibilities.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Since ITC effectively rustled my jimmies with that .gif, I'll make my point briefly. Touring schools for my kids, I notice a lot of the charter schools try to differentiate themselves from the traditional public/private schools by going down the road of consensus building, socratic, discussion focus, etc., which sounds great in theory. But with respect to math and science at their basic levels, no matter how you want to dress it up with consensus building and hugs, it comes down to a shit ton of memorization. And there is no way around that. So while I know that the millennial approach is to tailor everything to each individual student, but for some extremely important things you just have to park your ass in the chair and memorize it. And if you aren't teaching it that way, then in effect you aren't teaching that subject matter because those building blocks get lost.
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there are different ways to teach math than forcing a kid to sit down and fill out a shit load of worksheets in order to commit multiplication tables (for example) to memory
 
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