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Cuba

The Castros just asked some of the more fortunate Cubans to give back a little more to the society that enabled them to become wealthy. I don't know what the big deal is.
 
sailordeac said:
In the former Communist states of Eastern Europe de-commiefication, if you will, was considerably less extensive than de-nazification in Germany, and the result - including the offense to people's normal sense of justice - has greatly hurt these countries socially, economically, politically and psychologically.
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I literally have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
 
BTW - when I'm drinking on the other side of the Iron Curtain tomorrow, I'll make sure to ask the locals about their great psychological damage from not stringing up every former member of the Communist Party from the nearest telephone poll.

I'll report back on the answers I get.
 
vadimivich said:
BTW - when I'm drinking on the other side of the Iron Curtain tomorrow, I'll make sure to ask the locals about their great psychological damage from not stringing up every former member of the Communist Party from the nearest telephone poll.

I'll report back on the answers I get.
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hyperbole

the iron curtain is gone, just though you should know that, Mr. Expert
 
Oh no, it's evidently still there - left in place by the refusal to "de-commiefy" effectively enough, and the permanent damage remains deeply embedded in each nation. I thought I just read that.
 
who said anything about permanent? you are making things up now

just curious Vad, how old are you and did you ever visit or live behind the real iron curtain while it was still up?
 
sailordeac said:
just curious Vad, how old are you and did you ever visit or live behind the real iron curtain while it was still up?
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34. Yes.

My family immigrated in the 50s, I spent a good chunk of time in University studying in what is still a communist country (as well as visting other locations when I was younger) and I have lived in the post-Soviet eastern bloc. I've traveled extensively through the entire region, I speak a Slavic language (as well as German) and my wife works as a policy expert focusing on former Soviet states. I live literally 40km from the dividing line of the Cold War.

If you want to have a serious, actual conversation about the development and changes in the post-Soviet sphere of influence over the last 25 years - I'm all for it, there's a ton to talk about and what the implications and lessons for Cuba will be. What you wrote originally was absolutely and complete fucking horseshit malarky though, so let's start from a real point.
 
vadimivich said:
34. Yes.

My family immigrated in the 50s, I spent a good chunk of time in University studying in what is still a communist country (as well as visting other locations when I was younger) and I have lived in the post-Soviet eastern bloc. I've traveled extensively through the entire region, I speak a Slavic language (as well as German) and my wife works as a policy expert focusing on former Soviet states. I live literally 40km from the dividing line of the Cold War.

If you want to have a serious, actual conversation about the development and changes in the post-Soviet sphere of influence over the last 25 years - I'm all for it, there's a ton to talk about and what the implications and lessons for Cuba will be. What you wrote originally was absolutely and complete fucking horseshit malarky though, so let's start from a real point.
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gonna be kind of difficult to have a serious conversation when you make silly statements like that

this board is not going to be a very good forum for any extended discussion, nor do I have the time for it right now

but if you ever come to Budapest, or better yet Lake Balaton in the summer time, we can have a beer, or pálinka if you prefer, and talk about it
 
Hungary is pretty fucked at the moment (as long as Jobbik stays a major player in national politics), I think we can both agree on that. How about that for a starting point?
 
Also - Hungary, and to a lesser extent Romania, are very different cases from the rest of central/eastern Europe, as they aren't Slavic (and thus do not have the combined cultural experience of the Second World War in the same way). Their experiences post communism have faced completely different issues than the rest of the former Soviet-Bloc.
 
vadimivich said:
Hungary is pretty fucked at the moment (as long as Jobbik stays a major player in national politics), I think we can both agree on that. How about that for a starting point?
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Jobbik is hardly a major player in Hungarian politics. They have no prayer of winning a general election or ever being a part of a coalition government. Since no one will form a coalition with them, they are not particularly "relevant." Noisy at times yes, but a major player? Hardly. Jobbik can be an embarrassment and a nuisance but is not particularly important. Most of their voters are disaffected former socialist voters or simply protest voters. No way they could govern the country and most Hungarians are well aware of that. Their main public function as far as the other parties are concerned is that they are easy to feel superior to, criticize, and run against.
 
vadimivich said:
Also - Hungary, and to a lesser extent Romania, are very different cases from the rest of central/eastern Europe, as they aren't Slavic (and thus do not have the combined cultural experience of the Second World War in the same way). Their experiences post communism have faced completely different issues than the rest of the former Soviet-Bloc.
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The experiences of all of the countries is somewhat different. But the experiences of Hungary and Poland have been fairly close. The Poles were smarter, they got rid of the former Commies and their allies quicker.
 
Cruise lines and airlines stand to lose $3.5 billion and more than 10,000 jobs over the course of President Donald Trump’s four-year term if the administration fully rolls back all of the United States’ Cuba regulations, according to a report by nonprofit Engage Cuba.

Trump is expected to change some of the relaxed regulations that former President Barack Obama put in place in December 2014, but the full scope of his Cuba plan is yet to be seen.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article154075594.html#storylink=cpy
 
Not sure which is more ominous now: CNN update on phone or WFR post bumping thread
 
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