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Disjointed Prognostications for the GOP

bobknightfan said:
The Republicans aren't going to "comfortably take any national election" as long as they keep getting 22% of a growing non-white vote. The white vote was 74% of the total four years ago. Yesterday it was 72% of the total. By 2016 it will propbably be 68-69% of the total.....and maybe less than that.
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I'm confused by your use of quotation marks. Rubio will do just fine with the non-white vote IMO.
 
Knight said:
Something that surprised me over the last week:

Democrats who are disenchanted with their party, and Republicans who are disenchanted with their party are almost always looking for what the Libertarian party is full of: fiscal conservatives who want the government to stay out of social issues.

I think if people were honest with themselves, we would have 3 strong parties in this country. Unfortunately, so few people are brave enough to depart from their safety net.
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The problem for me is that the Libertarian party's isolationist policies on immigration and foreign policy are absolutely unrealistic and total deal breakers for me.
 
bobknightfan said:
Great thread.

You've got a few wrong impressions, though. In the first place, you don't tell the Tea Party what to do, they tell you what to do. Ask Mitt.

(And it's nice that I can be talked about in a thread, but I'm not supposed to be allowed to post on it....and I'm at +2,078, so fire away.)
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In your lifetime, you've seen the civil rights act, the reagan revolution, multiple political upsets and comebacks, an african-american elected president, female supreme court justices, the downfall of the ussr, MULTIPLE wake forest football acc titles, and even a friggin' WFU appearance in the final four but the republicans getting rid of some guys that are proven losers is impossible to you?

ok.
 
bobknightfan said:
They are like addicts. It won't happen until they are completely broken, down on the ground on their backs and see no other hope.....and they aren't anywhere near there yet. As long as they think they can finesse the problem and still use the Tea Party for its polling advantages in certain areas, they will just continue to gradually sink. After all, they just maintained controll of the House, didn't they?
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This seems mostly like speculation and a blind eye to political fluidity in the United States.
 
one thing, imo, that would do the GOP well would be to not have Iowa as the first state in the primary/caucus process. It brings up more of the social issues to the forefront. These beliefs are fine but it's the extreme rhetoric that can lead to trouble. While this primary race didn't quite see the momentum gain from Iowa to New Hampshire to South Carolina and so on, it's still the main strategy for securing the nomination in the future.

Perhaps a reform of the entire primary system could do well, for both parties perhaps.
 
tintinisahottie said:
It's so dumb. And if you notice the suggestion is always that they need to get more liberal. Well, thanks for that. What good have moderates done for us? How could W, libs fav person in the world, be classified as anything other than moderate? He spent bucket loads but cut taxes, didn't really do that much socially. Moderate


Yes, Mittens had to get more conservative on everything to get elected, because he wasnt conservative at all before. Caving on social issues also isn't a Tea Party thing, it's been happening for a long time. The only Tea Party people I actually know are furious about spending and the disregard the country has for the Constitution.
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This is part of the problem with Republicans. For some reason, they don't understand that in order to get more people to vote for you, you should listen to the people who aren't voting for you.

Marietta Deac said:
Pubs have to shed the image that they are a party of white men. How? Start encouraging more blacks, latinos and women to run for public office. Of course, this means putting social issues on the back burner and telling the evangelicals that they have a right to their beliefs but not the right to force them on everyone else. Definition of freedom.
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Interestingly though, the evangelical link would attract more Blacks and Hispanics than the sole reliance on tax cuts for the rich and hating the poor.
 
I don't think any Republican strategist is banking on gaining a chunk of the black vote.
 
tintinisahottie said:
Yeah I think we're just headed to a socialist European type society. Which is working out great for them, obviously, with nearly everyone completely broke. Great path for us
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Not true at all. I believe this country is still going through a mostly conservative phase - just not a nihilistic, lily white, evangelical, tea bagging conservative phase. The country isn't getting more liberal. It's getting more diverse. The Pub party has a bad history with blacks, which isn't going to be cured anytime soon, so I won't even go there. But there is no reason for the Pub party to lose the Asian and Latino vote to the extent they are. Bush Lite got 40+% of the Latino vote in 2004. Plenty of Latinos are socially conservative. But they're also angry that the current Pub party was against the Dream Act and killed the Bush Lite/McCain/Kennedy comprehensive immigration reform bill 5 years ago. Immigration reform and setting guest worker limits to fill all of the open jobs here isn't just good for Latinos. It's also good for business. Ask the growers in CA, AL and FL who were plowing under their crops this year.

Plenty of women are fiscal conservatives. But being against equal pay for women, limiting contraception, and wanting to restrict access to abortions in cases of rape and incest aren't exactly the best ways to try to elicit their votes. Just ask the Rape & Abortion Brothers, Akin, Mourdock & Walsh how well that worked out.

And with the way our society has been changing in terms of gay rights over the past decade, why continue to gay bait? Plenty of gays and lesbians are fiscal conservatives. But given their now widespread acceptance in the Dem party and their derision in most of the Pub party, there is not a whole lot of welcoming room for them in the Pub party. Sure, there aren't anywhere near as many gays as Latinos, but why throw away such an entire voting segment? And wouldn't it be more of a true "conservative" position to stay out of the bedroom and permit people who love each other to get married? Hell, gays should be able to be as miserable as straight folks.

Given the struggling economy over the last few years, Obama was primed to be picked off this year. And a more moderate, old fashioned Pub like Bush the Elder with guys like James Baker and Brent Scowcroft advising him would likely have beaten him this year. The problem is Bush the Elder would never have obtained the Pub nomination.

But sure, blame it on a weak Romney and believe a firebrand true conservative like Ryan will win in 2016. And FWIW, Dems need to remember this is still a mostly conservative country, take this opportunity to compromise with the Pubs in Congress, step back from the fiscal cliff, maybe get an immigration bill and maybe pursue something that is good for everyone - energy independence. Whichever party has a better grasp of reality will most likely win in 2016, just like Obama and the Senate Dems did this year.
 
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Hello said:
I don't think any Republican strategist is banking on gaining a chunk of the black vote.
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They were banking on them not going to the polls.
 
email from my mom:

I still can't believe that so many people were willing to vote for someone who lied and changed positions with the wind. As one commentator said, Romney was selling a product. You need it in red? I can do that. You want to let education go down the tube? I can do that. Why do you think education is so poor in the south especially. republicans! They don't want to spend money and charter schools do not provide quality education and they are mainly a place for whites to put their children so they aren't near minorities. So glad some of those Tea Party idiots got dumped.
 
PhDeac said:
They were banking on them not going to the polls.
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Okay. I'm just pointing out that I'm sure they aren't going to be worried about the black vote if they cut evangelicals.
 
True. Just saying they never took advantage of the best hook that they had with black voters.
 
I was wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. But at least I'm not Dick Morris.

Nate Silver, your ass tastes like ass.

'Merica has made its decision, I gotta live with it and I hope the best is yet to come for our country. As far as my political leanings, I still believe in the GOP but I definitely think that as of today they are a permanent minority party if they do not change. I'd like to moderate on social issues but become even stronger fiscal conservatives. Not sure if that is possible.

I'll leave you w/ a song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

Oh and lets go Deacs, I want to go to a bowl game this year cause I missed last year's.
 
There was a marked deemphasis by Romney on social issues this election. In hindsight, him being quiet about things probably allowed Obama to portray romney's positions for him.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
There was a marked deemphasis by Romney on social issues this election. In hindsight, him being quiet about things probably allowed his running mate, House Republicans, and Republican candidates to portray romney's positions for him.
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Fixed.
 
The Republican Party has to drop pro life from its platform or it's destined to die.
 
Marquee Moon said:
email from my mom:

I still can't believe that so many people were willing to vote for someone who lied and changed positions with the wind. As one commentator said, Romney was selling a product. You need it in red? I can do that. You want to let education go down the tube? I can do that. Why do you think education is so poor in the south especially. republicans! They don't want to spend money and charter schools do not provide quality education and they are mainly a place for whites to put their children so they aren't near minorities. So glad some of those Tea Party idiots got dumped.
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Dude, why quote your mom if she can't defend herself? I'm sure the quality of education in the south is poor due to republicans and has nothing at all to do with the over representation and underperformance of blacks and Hispanics, as well as having less money. No doubt it was just grand up until the 90s when pubs gained a permanent foothold in the south. Education in poor urban areas up north sucks balls too.
 
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