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Donald Impeachment

Trump's self-dealing with Turkey alone would create impeachment and removal from any other POTUS in US history.
 
LOL at shorty swinging by to drop #notallconservatives on this turd.
 
You don't think that's going to keep popping up on conservative sites and Fox News? Plenty of twitter discussion about it and endorsing it from the right already.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
You don't think that's going to keep popping up on conservative sites and Fox News? Plenty of twitter discussion about it and endorsing it from the right already.
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Why didn't Fox - the conservative network - call him out and challenge or correct him? I saw the clip, and both Rudy and Ingraham just let him keep going. Not only did he call it a regicide, he later called the two whistleblowers "suicide bombers that the Democrats have unleashed on the Democratic process." Ingraham did at least make him "clarify" it to "political suicide bombers" (which is still way, way over the top), but never questioned the regicide remark. And of course it will make its rounds of right-wing media. That's the point.
 
Anybody who compares an anonymous person who reports a crime to someone who publicly kills himself in order to destroy a target is really dumb unless that’s simply a way of saying the whistleblower put their life a risk.
 
WakeForestRanger said:
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But that can't be - we've been constantly told by right-wing media talking heads and blogs and websites since January 2019 that any Democratic attempt to impeach Trump would just backfire and ensure Trump's reelection by angering his unbeatable voting base. Tell me it isn't so!
 
Junebug said:
This is another application of the political question doctrine, similar to gerrymandering. When the constitution delegates authority to another branch (or, here, a subset of a branch) to make the rules, the judiciary doesn’t get to weigh in. I would think the only inquiry for the judiciary here would be whether the impeachment inquiry is proper under House rules. The constitution gives authority to the “House,” so the only proper judicial inquiry is whether it is actually the “House” that is acting. If it is, the House can proceed as it wishes.

As a co-equal branch, however, the President may also interpret the constitution as he sees fit. If he believes the inquiry is unconstitutional because there was not a House vote, he may refuse to participate. The House can then conclude that that refusal is obstruction of justice and, itself, an impeachable offense.
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Yeah of course if the House votes right now Donald still isn’t going to participate. It’s inherently political - the House should just have the impeachment vote
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...ss-connections-turkey-back-spotlight-n1064011

"A lawsuit filed by 29 senators and 186 House Democrats — one of three lawsuits that have alleged that Trump is in violation of the Constitution’s emoluments clauses, which bar the president from receiving monetary or other benefits of value from foreign or U.S. state entities while in office — claims that Turkey has among the highest number of foreign business ventures in which Trump is at least a partial owner, with 119 listed. Others include China, with 115, and the Philippines, with 121.

Businesses linked to the Turkish government are also major patrons of the Trump Organization. Turkish officials have made 14 visits to Trump properties, more than any other country, according to an analysis performed for NBC News by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, or CREW."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
Someone in the White House read the whistleblower memo to CBS News. Here’s the apparent text.

26 July 2019

The following is a record of a conversation I had this afternoon with a White House official about the telephone call yesterday morning between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. The official who listened to the entirety of the phone call was visibly shaken by what had transpired and seemed keen to inform a trusted colleague within the U.S. national security apparatus about the call. After my call with this official I [redacted] returned to my office, and wrote up my best recollection of what I had heard.

The official described the call as "crazy," "frightening" and "completely lacking in substance related to national security." The official asserted that the President used the call to persuade Ukrainian authorities to investigate his political rivals, chiefly former Vice President Biden and his son, Hunter. The official stated that there was already a conversation underway with White House lawyers about how to handle the discussion because, in the official's view, the President had clearly committed a criminal act by urging a foreign power to investigate a U.S. person for the purposes of advancing his own reelection bid in 2020.

The phone call lasted approximately half an hour. The two leaders spoke through interpreters. My conversation with the official only lasted a few minutes, and as a result, I only received highlights:

The President asserted that "it all started in Ukraine," referring to the allegations of foreign interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and the subsequent investigation into the Trump campaign's contact with Russian individuals
The President asked Zelenskyy to locate the "Crowdstrike server" and turn it over to the United States, claiming that Crowdstrike is "a Ukrainian company," (Note: This appears to be a reference to the DNC server from which Russian hackers stole data and emails that were subsequently leaked in mid-2016; the DNC hired cyber security firm Crowdstrike to do the forensic analysis, which informed the FBI's investigation. It is not clear what the president was referring to when he claimed Crowdstrike is a Ukrainian company; one of its cofounders was born in Moscow.)

The President told Zelenskyy that he would be sending his personal lawyer, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, to Ukraine soon and requested that Zelenskyy meet with him. Zelenskyy reluctantly agreed that, if Giuliani traveled to Ukraine, he would see him.

The President raised the case of Burisma Holdings, Hunter Biden's role in the company, and former Vice President Biden's role in setting Ukraine policy. The President urged Zelenskyy to [end page 1] investigate the Bidens and stated that Giuliani would discuss this topic further with Zelenskyy during his trip to Kyiv.

The President urged Zelenskyy not to fire Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko, who the President claimed was doing a good job. (Note: Lutsenko has spearheaded various politicized investigations, including on Burisma Holdings and alleged "Ukrainian interference" in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Lutsenko is widely reviled in Ukraine, and Zelenskyy has pledged to fire him but has been unable to secure approval from the legislature.)

The President stated that he wanted Attorney General William Barr to speak with Zelenskyy as soon as possible. (Note: It was not clear whether this conversation was to be in reference to Crowdstrike or the investigations of the Bidens.)

The President reiterated his concern that Zelenskyy was surrounded by people who were enemies of the President, including "bad oligarchs."

The President did not raise security assistance. According to the official, Zelenskyy demurred in response to most of the President's requests.

I did not review a transcript or written notes, but the official informed me that they exist.

The standard White House practice for Presidential-level phone calls with world leaders is for the White House Situation Room to produce a word-for-word electronic transcript that memorializes the call. The transcript is typically then circulated to key White House officials to be transformed into a formal memorandum that is distributed as an eyes-only document, to the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, and Director of the CIA.

In this case, the official told me that such a transcript had indeed been produced and was being treated very sensitively, in hard copy only. Moreover, several additional senior White House officials listened to the entire phone call in an adjacent room in the Situation Room suite and they presumably took written notes on the call.

The official did not know whether the President was aware that other people were listening and that the call was being transcribed. The official also was not certain whether anyone else was in the Oval Office with the President during the call.
On the Ukrainian side, it is unclear who listened to the call or whether a record was produced.
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WakeForestRanger said:
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I wonder what these numbers will be in the next few days. I feel like the Turkish invasion will be a big black eye to Trump with the military crowd. His anti-military comments haven't hurt him in the past (McCain, Gold Star families), but this may cross a line finally.
 
That Fox poll has some interesting nuggets of information beyond the topline impeachment figures.


Impeachment in Swing Counties
“Among voters in swing counties (where Hillary Clinton and Trump were within 10 points in 2016), support for impeachment increased to 52 percent, up from 42 percent in July.”

Asking foreign leaders to investigate political rivals
“By a 66-25 percent margin, voters say it is generally inappropriate for Trump to ask foreign leaders to investigate political rivals.”

Comparison to Clinton Impeachment
“Overall, by an 11-point margin, more voters believe Trump is “getting what he deserves” rather than that the impeachment inquiry is driven by “people out to get him.” During President Bill Clinton’s 1998 impeachment, by a 3-point margin, more thought “people were out to get” him than believed Clinton was “getting what he deserved”.

Is Trump out to help himself or the country?
“Meanwhile, voters think President Trump is just out for himself. Fifty-five percent overall and 18 percent of Republicans say he is doing what’s best for Trump. Thirty-nine percent think he puts the country first. ”

On the motivation to impeach or not to impeach
“Voters are inclined to see the motives of Republican lawmakers as more political. By a 3-point margin, more think congressional Democrats truly believe Trump committed an impeachable offense than say Democrats just want to hurt him politically.

On the other side, by a 23-point margin, more think congressional Republicans just want to protect Trump politically than say GOP lawmakers sincerely believe what he did is not impeachable.”
 
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