George Zimmerman

[DeacMan]

More fuel to the fire. He supposedly passed a lie detector the day after he shot Martin. And he allegedly volunteered to take it.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/george-zimmerman-lie-detector-421395

 

[RJKarl]

Lie detectors are neither admissible nor accurate. People routinely beat lie detectors.

 

[Caturday]

Everytime I see this thread I get the song "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" stuck in my mind.

 

[Lectro]

Lie detectors are neither admissible nor accurate. People routinely beat lie detectors.

National Academy of Science determined they have a median accuracy of 89%.

Not perfect...but certainly not the wave of the hand you administer to it...

Certainly not something you'd want to offer yourself over to... That is,if you had actually committed a crime. Doesn't make much sense for Zimmerman to have wanted to take it (if he was guilty)

 

[EatLeadCommie]

Lie detectors are neither admissible nor accurate. People routinely beat lie detectors.

Not admissible, but certainly more accurate than your posts. Beating a lie detector is not easy and those who give the tests have been trained over the years to look for the kinds of things that can confuse the results (like the old tack in the shoe).

At some point, one has to wonder when the evidence is going to tilt the other way on Zimmerman. Given that he was charged, it is baffling to me that nothing so far seems to refute his version of events.

 

[Les Grossman]

Lie detectors are neither admissible nor accurate. People routinely beat lie detectors.

Half right.

Yes, they're not admissible, but they are accurate. Especially the voice stress analyzers. They are the gold standard amongst law enforcement and very accurate.

 

[Caturday]

Unless you're a sociopath.

 

[tos]

Honestly, I dont see the "stand your ground" law being any type of unique hurdle for the prosecution to get over for a conviction here.

Self-defense in a murder case is always extraordinarily difficult for the prosecution to get a conviction. There's only one person's story and barring some piece of evidence that the jury can hang their hat on to be convinced that the story is a complete lie...the guy usually walks.

This scenario just happened in Texas.

 

[PhDeac]

We've been arguing about the definition of "confront" for months. In a lie detector test, how do we know that the person taking the test has the same definition as the person administering the test?

 

[DeacMan]

Lie detectors are neither admissible nor accurate. People routinely beat lie detectors.

OK, let's presume this patently stupid assertion is correct - that lie detectors are not accurate. Why on earth would you volunteer to submit yourself to a test?

 

[RJKarl]

First of all it wasn't a traditional lie detector test. Secondly it looks like he only answered a few questions:

According to a “confidential report” prepared by the Sanford Police Department, Zimmerman, 28, willingly submitted to a computer voice stress analyzer (CVSA) “truth verification” on February 27. Investigators concluded that he “has told substantially the complete truth in regards to this examination.”

Zimmerman, the report noted, “was classified as No Deception Indicated (NDI).”

Along with questions about whether his first name was George and if it was Monday, Zimmerman was asked, “Did you confront the guy you shot?’ He answered, “No.” He was also asked, “Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy.” Zimmerman replied, “Yes.”

Before the CVSA test, Zimmerman--who was apparently not accompanied by legal counsel--signed a Sanford Police Department release stating that he was undergoing the examination “voluntarily, without duress, coercion, threat or promise.”

There was no downside as had he failed it wouldn't have been admissible.

also if he know the scope of the questions, he could easily beat it.

 

[pinochadeac]

Occam's Razor
"when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better."

hmmm.. So you think Zimmerman knew how to beat a lie detector test?

 

[Caturday]

If he's a sociopath he could pass it without even trying to game it. I don't think he is but it's interesting. Since I'm a psychiatrist and all .

 

[RJKarl]

Occam's Razor
"when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better."

hmmm.. So you think Zimmerman knew how to beat a lie detector test?

Costanza says,"It's not a lie if you believe it."

Occam's Razor RE: the original event is Zimmerman started a confrontation and then shot Trayvon. That's the simpler theory.

 

[FuckmouthedRube]

Zimmerman shoots a guy, puts up a website draped in the American flag to solicit funds, talks about the funds received in code, and uses some of the funds to pay off his credit card debt. What a great American!

 

[EatLeadCommie]

This scenario just happened in Texas.

Sounds like he brandished the gun beforehand and definitely had time to go home. In the video, the cops look like they were on the scene beforehand. Gotta think they were pretty fucking negligent as well.

 

[EatLeadCommie]

interesting piece of the accuracy, or lack thereof, of the CVSA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr3E_2KTxI0

 

[WFFaithful]

"The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern," investigator Chris Serino wrote in an arrest warrant affidavit.

In the report released Tuesday, police say Zimmerman contradicted himself by saying that he was initially fearful of Martin but later got out of his vehicle and followed after the teen.
"His actions are inconsistent with those of a person who has stated he was in fear of another subject," Serino wrote.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...avoiding-confrontation-trayvon-192523670.html

 

[ibleedgoldandblack]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...avoiding-confrontation-trayvon-192523670.html

1) Neither of the actions cited in the report are required under stand your ground law.

2) It doesn't matter whether he was fearful when he followed the guy. It matters if he was fearful when he shot the guy.

3) The report also states that the injuries are somewhat consistent with Zimmerman's version of the events.

4) The report will be of minimal value to the prosecution since it was written up more than 2 weeks after the event itself, which makes it easy to seem like it was done for 'political' reasons.

 

[WakeandBake]

The lie detector test is great and all, but what happened is that Zimmerman provoked the confrontation with Martin. Zimmerman's own statements and the 911 call recordings support this. He provoked Martin by following him in his vehicle, by running after him in the neighborhood, and by verbally engaging Martin. Im sure Zimmerman believes Martin 'confronted' him because it appears a scared and exasperated Martin turned to Zimmerman and asked him what the fuck he wanted. This Zimmerman is a wingnut who sees himself as a victim, when he provoked the whole thing by being a reckless dumbass wannabe cop. jesus fucking christ

let him go, sheesh. stand your ground is a piece of shit law if it provides this asshole cover for what he did. I see many ass whippings in Zimmerman's future, so he'd better keep his little pea shooter close by