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Government surveillance, no problem

This feels like defending trump, but to be fair sailor has been against government surveillance for awhile. However it’s definitely a two party problem.
 
I think the right balance to strike wrt surveillance vs liberty and freedom is not a simple consideration.

Abuses for political purposes or political oppression would be about the worst possible outcome.

Problem is all the dictators and autocrats Trump seems to admire do this routinely.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
This feels like defending trump, but to be fair sailor has been against government surveillance for awhile. However it’s definitely a two party problem.
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Good for sailor!... but if he wants to initiate a productive discussion on the downsides of government domestic surveillance, his second post on this this thread shouldn't shit on the "Dems" claiming they only care when it's not Obama, and then accuse other posters of partisanship when they try to correct the record. There is plenty to discuss wrt to FISA and domestic surveillance, but the conversation doesn't start with a foxnews link and an accusation that Dems aren't sincere.
 
birdman said:
Good for sailor!... but if he wants to initiate a productive discussion on the downsides of government domestic surveillance, his second post on this this thread shouldn't shit on the "Dems" claiming they only care when it's not Obama, and then accuse other posters of partisanship when they try to correct the record. There is plenty to discuss wrt to FISA and domestic surveillance, but the conversation doesn't start with a foxnews link and an accusation that Dems aren't sincere.
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what makes you think he wants to initiate a productive discussion?
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
This feels like defending trump, but to be fair sailor has been against government surveillance for awhile. However it’s definitely a two party problem.
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my bad, I thought he was just throwing up anything he could to distract from his boy Trump's constant idiocy.
 
sailordeac said:
using FISA to spy on political opponents, from what we know now, dems 1, pubs 0
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Link?

And make sure you pay attention to who appointed those who approved those FISA warrants and why they sought them.
 
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