Government surveillance, no problem

[ImTheCaptain]

I am not here to feed your sloth. Do some work before you run your mouth, freeloader.

the burden of proof is on the one making the hypothesis

 

[sailordeac]

the burden of proof is on the one making the hypothesis

there is no hypothesis, my opposition to government surveillance going back years is fact

the person making the charge that it is not, must prove their accusation

 

[sailordeac]

Bump, looks a lot like you are saying that the Dems only care when Obama was not involved. The Dems implies to me you mean Democrats as a whole.

in that context dems meant democratic politicians, sorry about the misunderstanding, and Obama meant Obama and his administration, not just Obama alone

 

[sailordeac]

Here is the trailer of Michael Moore’s 2004 movie in which he, a liberal dem, rails about the patriot act and government surveillance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zf2nCiBJLo

I have never seen anything from Michael Moore

 

[deactherunner]

in that context dems meant democratic politicians, sorry about the misunderstanding, and Obama meant Obama and his administration, not just Obama alone

S. 139: FISA Amendments Reauthorization Act of 2017

Republicans: 43 Yes to 7 No
Democrats: 21 Yes to 26 No

 

[WakeandBake]

I have never seen anything from Michael Moore

Ignorance of the evidence is no defense

 

[sailordeac]

S. 139: FISA Amendments Reauthorization Act of 2017

Republicans: 43 Yes to 7 No
Democrats: 21 Yes to 26 No

like I said, the problem is bipartisan

using FISA to spy on political opponents, from what we know now, dems 1, pubs 0

using the IRS to spy on political opponents: from what we know now, dems 1, pubs 0

 

[sailordeac]

Ignorance of the evidence is no defense

evidence of what?

 

[WakeandBake]

evidence of what?

The flaws in your premise

 

[sailordeac]

The flaws in your premise

what according to you is my premise and what are the flaws?

 

[ImTheCaptain]

what according to you is my premise and what are the flaws?

this

The dems only realize there might be a problem if the Obama administration is not involved. Their sincerity is touching.

2004 is a year that occurred, temporally speaking, before Obama's administration

 

[WakeandBake]

That lliberals are complacent

 

[ConnorEl]

Here's a premise beyond FISA concerns: politicizing intelligence is costly to us all. Pubs recently more prone to this as they prefer to live and govern by made-up narratives.

Evidence: Iraq war.

Guess who's trying to do it now?

 

[sailordeac]

That lliberals are complacent

you're joking, liberals have not been mentioned, and anyway there are hardly any liberals left, only lefties

the problem of endangering civil liberties is bipartisan

 

[sailordeac]

Here's a premise beyond FISA concerns: politicizing intelligence is costly to us all. Pubs recently more prone to this as they prefer to live and govern by made-up narratives.

Evidence: Iraq war.

Guess who's trying to do it now?

Trump conspired with Russia to steal the 2016 election.

 

[WakeandBake]

sorry, dems that you mentioned only cared when Obama wasn't blah blah

 

[ConnorEl]

The High Cost of Politicizing Intelligence

Trump is undermining America’s national security by trying to shape analysis to support his world view.

 

[ConnorEl]

Trump is trying to politicize intelligence to support his Iran policy. That’s dangerous.

 

[ConnorEl]

Intelligence, Politicization, and the Russia Probe

 

[ConnorEl]

Politicization of the Intelligence Community is Extremely Dangerous