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HB2 Strikes Again

oldmandeac said:
It is taking an amazing amount of restraint not to give an obvious follow up response...
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Put RJ on ignore....along with all those other millennial liberals. Makes your life much less stressful when you don't have to see all that BS every day. Other than RJ, W&B and a couple others, it's just a 20-something stage that most of them are going through. Most of them will eventually live to repudiate all the garbage they are spewing in their 20s. I know from experience. I once walked in their shoes. Eventually, though, I had to face the reality of the real world. You don't get that experience sitting in a classroom.
 
bobknightfan said:
Put RJ on ignore....along with all those other millennial liberals. Makes your life much less stressful when you don't have to see all that BS every day. Other than RJ, W&B and a couple others, it's just a 20-something stage that most of them are going through. Most of them will eventually live to repudiate all the garbage they are spewing in their 20s. I know from experience. I once walked in their shoes. Eventually, though, I had to face the reality of the real world. You don't get that experience sitting in a classroom.
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so 20-something millennials have to wait, what, another 30, 40, 50 years before they come to their senses like you?
 
bobknightfan said:
Put RJ on ignore....along with all those other millennial liberals. Makes your life much less stressful when you don't have to see all that BS every day. Other than RJ, W&B and a couple others, it's just a 20-something stage that most of them are going through. Most of them will eventually live to repudiate all the garbage they are spewing in their 20s. I know from experience. I once walked in their shoes. Eventually, though, I had to face the reality of the real world. You don't get that experience sitting in a classroom.
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I wish I was in my 20s. Hell, I wish I was in my 40s.

How about you bob, will you answer these two questions?

In over two dozen states, people can be fired just for being gay. Do you support that?

Do you support "religious freedom acts" that allow people to discriminate against gays?
 
bobknightfan said:
Put RJ on ignore....along with all those other millennial liberals. Makes your life much less stressful when you don't have to see all that BS every day. Other than RJ, W&B and a couple others, it's just a 20-something stage that most of them are going through. Most of them will eventually live to repudiate all the garbage they are spewing in their 20s. I know from experience. I once walked in their shoes. Eventually, though, I had to face the reality of the real world. You don't get that experience sitting in a classroom.
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lol
 
BarcaDeac said:
so 20-something millennials have to wait, what, another 30, 40, 50 years before they come to their senses like you?
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Depends on how many kiawanis pancake breakfasts you help with. That's where the real street level knowledge is earned.
 
Bob's "experience" includes 4 years at a small regional college, a stint in the army, and 70 years in Podunk, NC.

And he has the gall to lecture us.
 
Wait, are you saying that Randleman, NC isn't the center of the universe? All cultural, political and moral issues and answers don't come from there?

I was waiting with such intrigue on his answers to my questions. He an oldman like to talk but not answer and their answers are so key to our knowledge.
 
Randolph County is a hot bed of diversity and elevated political discourse, too. The numbers don't lie!

D. Trump 77.3% 49,156
H. Clinton 20.6% 13,074
G. Johnson 2.2% 1,385

The racial makeup of the county was 89.20% White, 5.63% Black or African American, 0.45% Native American, 0.64% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 3.01% from other races, and 1.06% from two or more races. About 6.63% of the population was Hispanic or Latino of any race.
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There are a helluva lot more Latinos in Randolph County than what that statement says. I guess most aren't full time residents though.
 
bobknightfan said:
Put RJ on ignore....along with all those other millennial liberals. Makes your life much less stressful when you don't have to see all that BS every day. Other than RJ, W&B and a couple others, it's just a 20-something stage that most of them are going through. Most of them will eventually live to repudiate all the garbage they are spewing in their 20s. I know from experience. I once walked in their shoes. Eventually, though, I had to face the reality of the real world. You don't get that experience sitting in a classroom.
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thought this was boobknightfan
 
RJ failed to see a joke when it stared him in the face... but let me respond to his demand.

I have worked in an office where the office manager was openly gay and hired like minded people. The other half of the office were former beauty contestant winners. It was an interesting place to work to say the least. At an office get together, the office manager was explaining the merits of his lifestyle choice. As I looked at a former Miss Jamaica and one of his hires standing at the bar, my response to him was to point to the duo at the bar and said simply "the day you can explain why his ass is more appealing to you than hers (which was perfect by the way) then maybe I can begin to understand the gay experience".

The point is the fact that he was gay didn't interfere with my assessment of his work performance. Did I mention they all worked for me? Never once did I think in terms of sexual orientation in relation to getting the job done. Or how my religious beliefs were challenged which again didn't interfere with my business judgment. Oh, the office manager was Jewish and the guy at the bar Muslim, but I am the intolerant one.That being said, I would have hated dismissing someone for not getting the job done and being accused of firing a protected class. On the other hand, I have numerous experience with losing promotions and job opportunities to minorities and women (or the impossible to beat female minority). My only sin was being a highly qualified white male. If I have encountered any discremination in the work force during my lifetime it has been against others like me.

Now, throw in my age and I am in yet another great unprotected class of age discrimination. I guess if I could become gay (how about trans to cover all bases) all of my work place issues would come to an end and I could then piss anywhere I want (to bring things full circle to the theme of the title of this thread. I do wonder if I can now piss on a sidewalk or side of a building in public without getting arrested...guess that is the next legal challenge that awaits us. The law is about aligning bathroom choice with gender identity but shouldn't the absolute dire need to go (I am after all of that age dynamic where you can't hold it like you use to) override the where it is I succumb to internal demands and relieve myself?)

Sorry, this is suppose to be a sports board.
 
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oldmandeac said:
My only sin was being a highly qualified white male. If I have encountered any discremination in the work force during my lifetime it has been against others like me.
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I understand where you're coming from and how it's frustrating from your POV. But, you've probably never sent a bunch of resumes off knowing many will never get read (much less seriously considered) because of what the reviewer guesses (consciously or not) from the name at the top. You haven't sat down for an interview and within the first minute had the interviewer decide they knew something about your lifestyle that made them not want to have you around them in the workplace. Etc.
 
Junebug said:
Not true. The EEOC interprets Title VII of the civil rights act of 1964 to prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Although there is not yet a SCOTUS decision directly on point, employers across the country are advised by their lawyers to treat sexual orientation as a protected category.

Find another talking point. That one is stale.
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Even if Title VII applied to small businesses with fewer than 15 employees, I'd still understand someone's reluctance today to rely on administrative interpretations that were established under Obama's EEOC to feel secure in those protections.
 
The EEOC under Obama will be different than the EEOC under Trump. This will be even more dramatic if Pence puts his people in at EEOC.

The EEOC position you keep using is not a law. So,m stop to portray it as such.
 
so you don't think Trump's EEOC will be mor conservative than Obama's?

I'll take my prognostication abiolity over your common sense, all day, every day.
 
Junebug said:
Considering that the EEOC cannot be more than 3-2 republican, that Trump's new chair appointee voted to support transgender rights and that, although she voted against sexual orientation being a protected class, she has since not been hostile to the EEOC's decision to include sexual orientation, I think the jury is out on whether Trump's EEOC will revise the guidance stating that sexual orientation is a protected class under Title VII.

But by all means, listen when your knee jerks.
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
oldmandeac said:
RJ failed to see a joke when it stared him in the face... but let me respond to his demand.

I have worked in an office where the office manager was openly gay and hired like minded people. The other half of the office were former beauty contestant winners. It was an interesting place to work to say the least. At an office get together, the office manager was explaining the merits of his lifestyle choice. As I looked at a former Miss Jamaica and one of his hires standing at the bar, my response to him was to point to the duo at the bar and said simply "the day you can explain why his ass is more appealing to you than hers (which was perfect by the way) then maybe I can begin to understand the gay experience".

The point is the fact that he was gay didn't interfere with my assessment of his work performance. Did I mention they all worked for me? Never once did I think in terms of sexual orientation in relation to getting the job done. Or how my religious beliefs were challenged which again didn't interfere with my business judgment. Oh, the office manager was Jewish and the guy at the bar Muslim, but I am the intolerant one.That being said, I would have hated dismissing someone for not getting the job done and being accused of firing a protected class. On the other hand, I have numerous experience with losing promotions and job opportunities to minorities and women (or the impossible to beat female minority). My only sin was being a highly qualified white male. If I have encountered any discremination in the work force during my lifetime it has been against others like me.

Now, throw in my age and I am in yet another great unprotected class of age discrimination. I guess if I could become gay (how about trans to cover all bases) all of my work place issues would come to an end and I could then piss anywhere I want (to bring things full circle to the theme of the title of this thread. I do wonder if I can now piss on a sidewalk or side of a building in public without getting arrested...guess that is the next legal challenge that awaits us. The law is about aligning bathroom choice with gender identity but shouldn't the absolute dire need to go (I am after all of that age dynamic where you can't hold it like you use to) override the where it is I succumb to internal demands and relieve myself?)

Sorry, this is suppose to be a sports board.
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1) Is it a choice or not? You can't seem to make up your mind. You call it a lifestyle choice, but then say you can't understand why a man would be attracted to a man and imply that you can't choose to be gay. To be clear, it is not a choice. As a gay man, I do not slightly understand being attracted to women. I can evaluate them as attractive or not, but I can't be attracted to them. I can accept that other men feel differently and make no judgement about their value as people or as men. I certainly wouldn't demean their attraction to women as a "lifestyle choice".

2) You don't think being gay can create workplace challenges? Really? Straight, white men do much better in the workplace than any other demographic. I assume there's data to that effect... even without it I have been in enough executive meeting rooms to know that it is true. Quit whining. Gay people get fired all of the time. If you receive legal backlash for firing a gay person than it is not just because that person is gay. It probably has something to do with insensitive conversations like you retold in the first paragraph.
 
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