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How crazy is Rick Perry?

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He thinks the influx of immigrants could be a conspiracy created by Obama:

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/07...erry-middle-insane-obama-conspiracy-rant.html

By the way the glasses just makes Perry look like an idiot in glasses.

Also to those who say Obama has no interest in "securing the border", he has nearly doubled the number of border patrol officers as well as creating a new, massive, high tech measures that didn't exist previously.

It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than when Obama took office.
 
Perry's 2016 cannon fodder. GOP field looks like it will have too many social conservatives (Huckabee, Santorum, Cruz, Perry, Pence, Jindal) again who will cannibalize each other and open it up for a relative "moderate" (Paul, Jeb, Christie). If the base is adamant about a social conservative at the top of the ticket, they need to rally around someone early and convince the other wannabes not to run.

Seems insane for the RNC to have publicized their 2012 autopsy and proceeded to do nothing about the findings because their base wouldn't allow them. 14 GOP Senators voted for immigration reform last year, but Tea Party refuses to allow a House vote. Obama will take some heat for deportations, but that pales in comparison to the imagery from the Murrieta, CA. An angry mod screaming at screaming at a bus of women and children doesn't win Latino hearts and minds. Don't see any swing states flipping because the GOP is hard line on immigration and don't see many religious leaders rallying around the angry mob. Rounding up 11 million people or self-deportation won't work. Status quo isn't working and it gets worse the longer the Tea Party refuses to deal with it.
 
Perry is an idiot for several reasons unrelated to immigration. I'm amazed it took this long for a thread even indirectly about immigration to crop up. Obama's incompetence in this regard is entirely his responsibility. One can only conclude that he is strikingly incompetent with his immigration policy or is intentionally ignoring the laws for nefarious reasons. Or both.
 
RJKarl said:
Also to those who say Obama has no interest in "securing the border", he has nearly doubled the number of border patrol officers as well as creating a new, massive, high tech measures that didn't exist previously.

It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than when Obama took office.
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Just stop. You don't know what you're talking about.
 
"There were 20,745 border patrol agents as of April 9, 2011; 17,659 of them stationed along the southwest border with Mexico, according to data provided by Steven Cribby, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security.

That's up from 17,499 border patrol agents at the end of September 2008, four months before Obama took office (an 18 percent increase)."
 
Anyone have a good link that discusses this situation? Why all of a sudden are a bunch of kids crossing the border illegally? Is it all central American countries?
 
Here's an article giving many reasons:

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/16/581340...merica-unaccompanied-children-immigrants-daca

"Congress set the rules on dealing with child migrants under the Bush administration

The Obama administration doesn't have much leeway in dealing with unaccompanied child migrants. That's because Congress set a particular process here as a way of fighting human trafficking. (These laws reinforced a 1997 government lawsuit settlement that set certain standards for care.)

Most of this process was codified by Congress under the Homeland Security Act of 2002; Congress added some additional protections under the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act, in 2008.

Under current law, the Border Patrol is required to take child migrants who aren't from Mexico into custody, screen them, and transfer them to the Office of Refugee Resettlement (a part of the Department of Health and Human Services).

The law tasks HHS with either finding a suitable relative to whom the child can be released, or putting the child in long-term foster care. For more about how that process is supposed to work — and some of the problems with it being overloaded — see here.

The inflexibility here is one reason why the Obama administration is now asking Congress to change the law."
 
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RJKarl said:
"There were 20,745 border patrol agents as of April 9, 2011; 17,659 of them stationed along the southwest border with Mexico, according to data provided by Steven Cribby, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security.

That's up from 17,499 border patrol agents at the end of September 2008, four months before Obama took office (an 18 percent increase)."
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No surprise Rj defending government bloat. Could have accomplished the same thing at a much lower cost just by doubling the number of guns the original 17,499 could carry.
 
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That dude wants drones? WTF for? We going to start bombing illegals crossing the border?
 
I imagine he wants drones for surveillance purposes. Not blow up brown people purposes. But he is pretty crazy so you never know.
 
bmoneydeac said:
I imagine he wants drones for surveillance purposes. Not blow up brown people purposes. But he is pretty crazy so you never know.
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He's not crazy or stupid. Only smart people wear glasses like his.
 
ONW said:
Anyone have a good link that discusses this situation? Why all of a sudden are a bunch of kids crossing the border illegally? Is it all central American countries?
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Because the President unilaterally implemented DACA. Mix that with the discussion of amnesty, and this is what you get.
 
No one is talking about amnesty. Well, at least no one who understands the definition of the word.
 
RJKarl said:
"There were 20,745 border patrol agents as of April 9, 2011; 17,659 of them stationed along the southwest border with Mexico, according to data provided by Steven Cribby, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security.

That's up from 17,499 border patrol agents at the end of September 2008, four months before Obama took office (an 18 percent increase)."
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First, hirings are an ongoing process, with pretty good time between initiation and the actual day that somebody shows up for their first day of work. Regardless, your numbers are fluff. The BP has been neutered, and they have complained about it for years. Doesn't matter if you have 50,000 BP officers if they can't do their fucking job or if the administration actively pursues a course of action that dismisses cases in the final stages of removal proceedings. This is the same administration that claimed higher removal numbers when what they were doing was changing the way removals were counted. Combine a lax enforcement policy with a President who said essentially, "Fuck Congress," and implemented DACA in a most dubious and unethical manner and it's a perfect shitstorm. Then on top of it all he advocates amnesty every day that he can, which creates the impression that if you come here illegally, you can get in before whatever cutoff date they decide for an amnesty plan, or at the very least will be able to be here and forge paperwork for that time that you weren't here.

I used to partially sympathetic for amnesty claims, but not when we did a second one in 2001 and the politicians immediately started pining for another one. Immigration policy needs to be turned on its head. Not only should there never be any form of amnesty ever again, but we should be sending everybody back, including kids. If you start making Mexico responsible for people using their country to transit, they may straighten up with their own immigration enforcement. It should not be our problem if Guatemalan or Honduran kids are using Mexico as a transit point to get in the US. That is Mexico's problem.
 
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First, hirings are an ongoing process, with pretty good time between initiation and the actual day that somebody shows up for their first day of work. Regardless, your numbers are fluff. The BP has been neutered, and they have complained about it for years. Doesn't matter if you have 50,000 BP officers if they can't do their fucking job or if the administration actively pursues a course of action that dismisses cases in the final stages of removal proceedings. This is the same administration that claimed higher removal numbers when what they were doing was changing the way removals were counted. Combine a lax enforcement policy with a President who said essentially, "Fuck Congress," and implemented DACA in a most dubious and unethical manner and it's a perfect shitstorm. Then on top of it all he advocates amnesty every day that he can, which creates the impression that if you come here illegally, you can get in before whatever cutoff date they decide for an amnesty plan, or at the very least will be able to be here and forge paperwork for that time that you weren't here.

I used to partially sympathetic for amnesty claims, but not when we did a second one in 2001 and the politicians immediately started pining for another one. Immigration policy needs to be turned on its head. Not only should there never be any form of amnesty ever again, but we should be sending everybody back, including kids. If you start making Mexico responsible for people using their country to transit, they may straighten up with their own immigration enforcement. It should not be our problem if Guatemalan or Honduran kids are using Mexico as a transit point to get in the US. That is Mexico's problem.
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So exactly how do we round up, try, process and expel 12,000,000 people?

Where do we come up with the trillions of dollars than this will cost?

How many years are you willing to do this?

What do we do with the massive facilities we'll have to build to house all these people after the people are deported?
 
Despite disagreeing with the concept politically, I really do miss the good old days of having a Republican in office to throw money at the whole fence idea. Or any other moronic idea that makes the "gut feel" people happy that their taxes are going somewhere "useful."

http://www.federaltimes.com/article...l-Virtual-border-fence-8216-complete-failure-

Man, so many people got rich off that effort. You've got to love a program that after 4 years and billions of dollars has its executive director say, "We need to become convinced the program is even viable; second, we need to become convinced if it is, it’s the right way to spend money. Even if it works, is it worth it?"

As a government contractor it definitely taught me to keep an eye out out for programs that can wait 4 years before asking if they're even possible, then saying oh well, enjoy our $3 billion, thanks for taking a shot at it everyone!

But now it's all SLA's and government integrated management and performance-based pay. The really easy money has dried up for the most part.
 
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