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#icebucketchallenge

Why does anyone care what people spend to host these different challenges? Every cent given over $0.00 is probably a cent that otherwise would have never been given were it not for these gimmicks.

Our collective attention span and rush to fatigue/jadedness has gotten out of control. People will complain about anything.
 
Why does anyone care what people spend to host these different challenges? Every cent given over $0.00 is probably a cent that otherwise would have never been given were it not for these gimmicks.

Our collective attention span and rush to fatigue/jadedness has gotten out of control. People will complain about anything.

sure, if your argument is that the chopper owner 'donated' his overhead. i just think it's like eating organic vegetables from california and talking about caring for the environment
 
im often surprised at the things townie gets fired about vs the things he does not
 
sure, if your argument is that the chopper owner 'donated' his overhead. i just think it's like eating organic vegetables from california and talking about caring for the environment

It's not like the chopper was paid for out of the ALS coffers. I'm not sure how any of it is an empty gesture at all.

And re: your second comment, I think I'm decently consistent. Especially when it comes to funding biomedical research. Any $ is good, public or private. And scrutinizing charitable giving is just annoying.
 
Again, if this were only about how much ALS could raise through social media, maybe a sick video featuring a helicopter would be a net negative. Instead, a bunch of donks on the Internet are talking about it today. ALS remains in everyone's minds. Mission accomplished.
 
Again, if this were only about how much ALS could raise through social media, maybe a sick video featuring a helicopter would be a net negative. Instead, a bunch of donks on the Internet are talking about it today. ALS remains in everyone's minds. Mission accomplished.

we'll see in about 2 months i guess
 
you think this campaign will be something like the breast cancer campaign?
 
I feel like I should be more clear in my intent in posting the thread... I'm not against the ice bucket challenge. I think it's incredible. I started the thread in response to the various articles I've read that are popping up saying it's stupid, which I've read and disagree with and was curious what others thought because I was also kind of incredulous at the articles given how hugely successful it's been.

I did admit to thinking the ice bucket thing was lame at the very beginning, because I did - but at that point it was more 'donate OR dump ice' and i thought it was a fad that, while raising awareness, wasn't raising so much money because people were just getting out of giving by dumping ice. Somewhere it changed to donate $100 or donate $10 and dump ice, and clearly that's been effective. I do not think it's lame anymore, I'm thrilled so much money and awareness is being raised for a very, VERY worthy cause.
 
There are probably some legitimate criticisms of gimmicky efforts like this. Like the fact that they're gimmicky, or that as District said, charity is often a zero-sum game, and if the ALS foundation isn't ready to take on the challenges of administering this new cashflow, it could be mismanaged. Or criticisms that, as often are the case here, especially with more Tea Party involvement in the way the biomedical research portion of the budget gets debated and administered, arguments arise that funding should come from more private than public sources, because charitable giving can and should fill the gaps. All of these are legitimate, or closer to legitimate arguments when stuff like this comes up.

Working for a cancer research nonprofit, I get a lot of the criticisms that come up against Komen, all pink everything, that cancer dominates the private funding market (and public too, in many cases). So this may perhaps be a reflexive response from me, immediately shilling for a cause and going on the defensive. I just think you should develop your arguments more carefully than "people shouldn't spend money on the gimmick side, they should spend it on the cause side." Let's leave those criticisms to the people running the organizations who deal with all the incoming money, not with the people giving up their hard earned money for a great cause.
 
i don't think the campaign is a bad thing; it obviously is raising a ton of awareness, mission accomplished; and it's quantifiably (is that a word?) raised more money than it has in the past, mission accomplished. i think it's great.

i was just critical about stuff like the helicopter b/c while marketing is important, but let's not pretend it's free
 
This article sums up my thoughts on the ice bucket challenge pretty well.

http://qz.com/249649/the-cold-hard-truth-about-the-ice-bucket-challenge/

I look at the camera, hold a bucket of ice water over my head, tip it upside down, post the video on social media and then nominate two others to do the same. Along the way, my nominees and I use the opportunity to donate to the ALS Association, a charity that fights amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (also called Lou Gerhig’s disease), a fatal neurodegenerative disease. Multiply this activity 70,000 times, and the result is that the ALS Association has received $3 million in additional donations. Via the ice bucket challenge, celebrities and the general public have fun and receive publicity; at the same time, millions of dollars are raised for a good cause. It’s a win-win, right?

Sadly, things are not so simple.

The key problem is funding cannibalism. That $3 million in donations doesn’t appear out of a vacuum. Because people on average are limited in how much they’re willing to donate to good causes, if someone donates $100 to the ALS Association, he or she will likely donate less to other charities.

This isn’t just speculation. Research from my own non-profit, which raises money for the most effective global poverty charities, has found that, for every $1 we raise, 50¢ would have been donated anyway. Given our fundraising model, which asks for commitments much larger than the amount people typically donate, we have reason to think that this is a lower proportion than is typical for fundraising drives. So, because of the $3 million that the ALS Association has received, I’d bet that much more than $1.5 million has been lost by other charities.

A similar phenomenon has been studied in the lab by psychologists. It’s called moral licensing: the idea that doing one good action leads one to compensate by doing fewer good actions in the future. In a recent experiment, participants either selected a product from a selection of mostly “green” items (like an energy-efficient light bulb) or from a selection of mostly conventional items (like a regular light bulb). They were then told to perform a supposedly unrelated task. However, in this second task, the results were self-reported, so the participants had a financial incentive to lie; and they were invited to pay themselves out of an envelope, so they had an opportunity to steal as well.

What happened? People who had previously purchased a green product were significantly more likely to both lie and steal than those who had purchased the conventional product. Their demonstration of ethical behavior subconsciously gave them license to act unethically when the chance arose.

Amazingly, even just saying that you’d do something good can cause the moral self-licensing effect. In another study, half the participants were asked to imagine helping a foreign student who had asked for assistance in understanding a lecture. They subsequently gave significantly less to charity when given the chance to do so than the other half of the participants, who had not been asked to imagine helping another student.

The explanation behind moral licensing is that people are often more concerned about looking good or feeling good rather than doing good. If you “do your bit” by buying an energy-efficient lightbulb, then your status as a good human being is less likely to be called into question if you subsequently steal.

In terms of the conditions for the moral licensing effect to occur, the ice bucket challenge is perfect. The challenge gives you a way to very publicly demonstrate your altruism via a painful task, despite actually accomplishing very little (on average, not including those who don’t donate at all, a $40 gift, or 0.07% of the average American household’s income): it’s geared up to make you feel as good about your actions as possible, rather than to ensure that your actions do as much good as possible.

This why Caitlin Dewey, a blogger for the Washington Post who claims that we should praise the challenge for raising so much money, gets it all wrong. The ice bucket challenge has done one good thing, which is raise $3 million for the ALS Association. But it’s also done a really bad thing: take money and attention away from other charities and other causes. That means that, if we want to know whether the ice bucket challenge has been on balance a good thing for the world, we’ve got to assess how effective the ALS Associations is compared with other charities. If 50% of that $3 million would have been donated anyway, and if the ALS association is less than half as effective at turning donations into positive impact on people’s wellbeing than other charities are on average, then the fundraiser would actively be doing harm. It’s perfectly possible that this is the case: even though some charities are fantastically effective, many achieve very little. You just can’t know without doing some serious investigation.

This isn’t to object to the ALS Association in particular. Almost every charity does the same thing — engaging in a race to the bottom where the benefits to the donor have to be as large as possible, and the costs as small as possible. (Things are even worse in the UK, where the reward of publicizing yourself all over social media comes at a suggested price of just £3 donated to MacMillan Cancer Support.) We should be very worried about this, because competitive fundraising ultimately destroys value for the social sector as a whole. We should not reward people for minor acts of altruism, when they could have done so much more, because doing so creates a culture where the correct response to the existence of preventable death and suffering is to give some pocket change.

Cannibalism of funding among charities is a major problem. However, there is a solution. The moral licensing phenomenon doesn’t always happen: there is a countervailing psychological force, called commitment effects. If in donating to charity you don’t conceive of it as “doing your bit” but instead as taking one small step towards making altruism a part of your identity, then one good deed really will beget another. This means that we should tie new altruistic commitments to serious, long-lasting behavior change. Rather than making a small donation to a charity you’ve barely heard of, you could make a commitment to find out which charities are most cost-effective, and to set up an ongoing commitment to those charities that you conclude do the most good with your donations. Or you could publicly pledge to give a proportion of your income.

These would be meaningful behavior changes: they would be structural changes to how you live your life; and you could express them as the first step towards making altruism part of your identity. No doubt that, if we ran such campaigns, the number of people who would do these actions would be smaller, but in the long term the total impact would be far larger.

So, sure, pour a bucket of water over yourself, or go bungee jumping, or lie in a bathtub of beans, whatever. But only do these things if you connect these fundraisers with meaningful behavior change, otherwise your campaign, even if seemingly fantastically successful, could be doing more harm than good.
 
Shit is everywhere on Facebook. Fuck it. If I feel like giving for ALS, I'm not gonna throw ice water on my head.
 
What that article and the "cannibalism" argument ignore is the number of people who gave who would not have given charitably at all otherwise, the percentage of which, granted the medium by which it is being shared and the number of young people involved, is probably reasonably high.
 
What that article and the "cannibalism" argument ignore is the number of people who gave who would not have given charitably at all otherwise, the percentage of which, granted the medium by which it is being shared and the number of young people involved, is probably reasonably high.

Yea. That article seems to have a problem with fundraising in general.
 
I think that article is accurate taking into account people that would normally give a charitable donation, those that are established and have money to throw away and think about charities. This being a viral video, social media driven donation the target audience is completely different. You get a bunch of people that give 10 dollars that otherwise would have given nothing all year, thats the audience you get with twitter and facebook, high school and college kids who would just normally go about their lives, young adults that are just starting out all throwing a little bit of money into a pot that usually doesn't exist.
 
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