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Immigrants and Medicare

61raddeac

61raddeac

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I'm all for immigration, but let's get more high-skilled immigrants that can make $50K+ a year and contribute more.
 
OGBDeacon07 said:
I'm all for immigration, but let's get more high-skilled immigrants that can make $50K+ a year and contribute more.
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They are the children of immigrants. They are going to be an American educated, powerful political/financial force. They may flip the South blue again.
 
Ball State Deac said:
They may flip the South blue again.
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Or even more red, once this immigration issue gets settled. Was just listening to NPR today and they were discussing that the hispanic immigrant population and their offspring is very socially conservative and entrepreneurial (3 times more so than the average American).
 
RacerDeac said:
Or even more red, once this immigration issue gets settled. Was just listening to NPR today and they were discussing that the hispanic immigrant population and their offspring is very socially conservative and entrepreneurial (3 times more so than the average American).
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Very true. But the GOP has a long way to go right now to capture those votes.
 
It's because the overwhelming majority of immigrants are younger and not on Medicare. Duh. The only people immigrating now that would be on it would be parents of US citizens, and there aren't a lot of those folks coming in.

The concern over immigrants and healthcare doesn't stem from dudes coming over here on employment visas. It stems from illegals (who are at the crux of the immigration debate) coming over here, often with their families, and having free babies at places like Parkland hospital in Dallas.
 
HeavyPetter said:
You mean steal jobs from Americans!
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Not really. Especially when you look at the tech sector and how much Google, for example, pays H1-B visa programmers (six figures a lot of the time). Good tax revenue.

The real job thieves are the people that low-skilled and more-likely-than-not here illegally. They take jobs away from Americans that only have a HS diploma or less.

This country *used* to have a seasonal visa program for low-skilled labor (Apple picking, etc), but went by the way side.

The idea of full-blown amnesty for 12 million illegal aliens is so unfair for people that actually waited in-line and played by the rules.

Why the heck can't we as a country be choosy? Make the 12 million prove that they are contributing to America in financially significant ways. Owning property could be a start.
 
Let's take into account that immigrants get fucking fat when they move here too.

The Health Toll of Immigration

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/health/the-health-toll-of-immigration.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

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OGBDeacon07 said:
Not really. Especially when you look at the tech sector and how much Google, for example, pays H1-B visa programmers (six figures a lot of the time). Good tax revenue.

The real job thieves are the people that low-skilled and more-likely-than-not here illegally. They take jobs away from Americans that only have a HS diploma or less.

This country *used* to have a seasonal visa program for low-skilled labor (Apple picking, etc), but went by the way side.

The idea of full-blown amnesty for 12 million illegal aliens is so unfair for people that actually waited in-line and played by the rules.

Why the heck can't we as a country be choosy? Make the 12 million prove that they are contributing to America in financially significant ways. Owning property could be a start.
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This shows you really don't have clue what you are talking about. Hundreds of millions of dollars in crops in Alabama and Georgia rotted in the fields when they put in their onerus anti-immigrant laws last year.

You have read any of the bills if you're calling them "full blown amnesty". You are simply wrong.
 
RJKarl said:
This shows you really don't have clue what you are talking about. Hundreds of millions of dollars in crops in Alabama and Georgia rotted in the fields when they put in their onerus anti-immigrant laws last year.

You have read any of the bills if you're calling them "full blown amnesty". You are simply wrong.
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Going the Paul Krugman route again.
 
Facts are facts.

Your RW talking points aren't reality.
 
RJKarl said:
This shows you really don't have clue what you are talking about. Hundreds of millions of dollars in crops in Alabama and Georgia rotted in the fields when they put in their onerus anti-immigrant laws last year.

You have read any of the bills if you're calling them "full blown amnesty". You are simply wrong.
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Not opposed to immigration at all. It's a good thing and usually a plus for the economy. I would like it to be legal though. I hope that is not too much to ask.

On the rotting crops, maybe somebody could ask those in the neighborhood on welfare or long term unemployed or food stamps to help out with the harvest. It's always easier to get a job if you are doing some work, then if you are not.
 
sailordeac said:
Not opposed to immigration at all. It's a good thing and usually a plus for the economy. I would like it to be legal though. I hope that is not too much to ask.

On the rotting crops, maybe somebody could ask those in the neighborhood on welfare or long term unemployed or food stamps to help out with the harvest. It's always easier to get a job if you are doing some work, then if you are not.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workhouse
 
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