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[dartsndeacs]

It wasn't wanton. Russia has had interests in the Ukraine for 60 years and someone overthrew their interests and they acted accordingly. Kinda like we did in the 1860's. Should we give NC back?

 

[ImTheCaptain]

It wasn't wanton. Russia has had interests in the Ukraine for 60 years and someone overthrew their interests and they acted accordingly. Kinda like we did in the 1860's. Should we give NC back?

NC was never a sovereign nation nor was it granted independence voluntarily by the US government.

A better example might be giving back the Gadsden Purchase lands.

So what about Canada?

 

[Deacsfan27]

It wasn't wanton. Russia has had interests in the Ukraine for 60 years and someone overthrew their interests and they acted accordingly. Kinda like we did in the 1860's. Should we give NC back?

It is even clearer that you have no idea what you are talking about by comparing the Russian-Ukraine conflict to the Civil War.

Russia violated Ukraine's sovereignty while the south (part of the United States of America) was seceding from the Union (as part of the USA still, not a sovereign nation).

Those are completely different things.

 

[Wakeforest22890]

All empires fall, even ours. Especially if we try to hold others down. Crimea has the population of New Mexico. Pretty dumb fight to involve yourself in. Especially if you aren't willing to actually back it up with anything but threats of taking away money. Thanks, Obama.

I thought you argued earlier that Russia wanted to get rid of imposed sanctions. If it's just a "threat of taking away money" then why does Russia care?

 

[dartsndeacs]

NC was never a sovereign nation nor was it granted independence voluntarily by the US government.

A better example might be giving back the Gadsden Purchase lands.

But we all know that Russia expected to keep its relations and have access to the places it needed militarily as part of their willingness to "give it" away. Once a revolution threatened that, they acted, as we would.

If a nation we currently have bases located on all of the sudden decided to not give us access anymore, how would we act?

 

[dartsndeacs]

It is even clearer that you have no idea what you are talking about by comparing the Russian-Ukraine conflict to the Civil War.

Russia violated Ukraine's sovereignty while the south (part of the United States of America) was seceding from the Union (as part of the USA still, not a sovereign nation).

Those are completely different things.

No they aren't, because Russia always expected Ukraine to keep giving them what they needed. It was sovereignty on paper, not effective sovereignty... clearly.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

But we all know that Russia expected to keep its relations and have access to the places it needed militarily as part of their willingness to "give it" away. Once a revolution threatened that, they acted, as we would.

If a nation we currently have bases located on all of the sudden decided to not give us access anymore, how would we act?

you mean if they violated signed treaties and broke contracts? probably appropriately.

 

[Wakeforest22890]

So we should just ignore what Russia does (cede it to another sovereign nation) and just go on "what we all know" as a barometer for negotiations?

 

[dartsndeacs]

you mean if they violated signed treaties and broke contracts? probably appropriately.

And so when the revolution happened in Ukraine, do you think Russia believed their treaties and contracts were going to hold up?

 

[Deacsfan27]

No they aren't, because Russia always expected Ukraine to keep giving them what they needed. It was sovereignty on paper, not effective sovereignty... clearly.

You're either trolling or you seriously have no idea what you are talking about. Either way I'm not going to continue this conversation with you. Enjoy.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

despite terrorism and hot spot wars, plama seems to be ignoring the giant elephant of the Great Peace that settled on the planet after the issue of empire/land grabbing was largely halted following two devastating world wars.

it just doesn't work and is not in humanity's interest

 

[Louis Gossett Jr]

You know when bkf talks about fuggin millennials who pretend to know things, here is an actual example of that.

 

[dartsndeacs]

So we should just ignore what Russia does (cede it to another sovereign nation) and just go on "what we all know" as a barometer for negotiations?

Well it seems like in retrospect your choices were between hurting a group of people the size of New Mexico or according to you threatening the lives of 4 billion people on this planet by us electing a madman.

So you pick, can't have both.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

And so when the revolution happened in Ukraine, do you think Russia believed their treaties and contracts were going to hold up?

Instead of finding out, they broke international law and annexed crimea and invaded ukraine. so, we'll never find out.

 

[Deacsfan27]

You know when bkf talks about fuggin millennials who pretend to know things, here is an actual example of that.

God knows Baby Boomers do it on Fox every night. Might as well join the fun.

 

[deacvision7]

But we all know that Russia expected to keep its relations and have access to the places it needed militarily as part of their willingness to "give it" away. Once a revolution threatened that, they acted, as we would.

If a nation we currently have bases located on all of the sudden decided to not give us access anymore, how would we act?

ummm.... Iraq?

 

[dartsndeacs]

Instead of finding out, they broke international law and annexed crimea and invaded ukraine. so, we'll never find out.

The whole point of the revolution was to break those treaties, so they started a coup. Kinda like y'all are supporting being done to our president, so I can understand how you sympathize.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

so we're all clear, you support the notion of invasion/annexation or the threat thereof to protect economic interests

 

[Wakeforest22890]

Well it seems like in retrospect your choices were between hurting a group of people the size of New Mexico or according to you threatening the lives of 4 billion people on this planet by us electing a madman.

So you pick, can't have both.

So in this reality Donald won the election because Clinton was going to punish Russia if elected?

That may be the most creative explanation for the 2016 outcome.

 

[deacvision7]

The whole point of the revolution was to break those treaties, so they started a coup. Kinda like y'all are supporting being done to our president, so I can understand how you sympathize.

Wow. Straight out of the Kremlin's wording of what happened in 2014.

Where do you get your news? Pravda?