Strickland33
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While we're making ridiculous statements, our vice president won't eat a meal with a woman without his wife present, believes in "conversion" and "reparative" therapies for LGBTQ youth...
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While we're making ridiculous statements, our vice president won't eat a meal with a woman without his wife present, believes in "conversion" and "reparative" therapies for LGBTQ youth...
That's fairly high on the false equivalency scale, don't you think? I assume (but don't particularly care, since I am not married to him) that not dining alone with another woman is out of respect for his wife; not out of disrespect for the other woman. In many parts of the Islamic world, that other woman wouldn't be able to a) drive to, b) eat alone without a male escort, c) read the menu at and d) be seen outside of the eye socket in public. That's more of a contrast than a comparison.
ConnorEl
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People here think that?
Serious question, how else do you eradicate a set of ideas that you think are bad?
sailordeac
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All jihadis will be shot. Their remains fed to dogs and pigs, and then they will never be able to go to and enjoy those 49, or was it 72, virgins in the lap of Allah.
Unfortunately, this would probably work as well as anything. But we are not up, or maybe more precisely down, to it.
People who believe that they will go to heaven if they kill random women and children are not going to be easy to convince by offers of Miller time and opportunities to vote for Hillary Clinton and the like.
For now, we probably would do best to go after the leaders, and then hope that the madness subsides.
Unfortunately, this would probably work as well as anything. But we are not up, or maybe more precisely down, to it.
People who believe that they will go to heaven if they kill random women and children are not going to be easy to convince by offers of Miller time and opportunities to vote for Hillary Clinton and the like.
For now, we probably would do best to go after the leaders, and then hope that the madness subsides.
Strickland33
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Do all muslims believe that women shouldn't be seen in public?
#notallMuslims
Strickland33
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thanks for c_arifying
What is the permissible number of women stoned to death for being raped before it matters to the American left?
Strickland33
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While we're on the topic of throwing rocks, you may want to step out of that glass house (or change your voter registration).
This is a ridiculous conversation. I'll say this: Islam isn't a monolith and ISIS is a piss poor representation of Muslims worldwide. You know that already, though. May ISIS (and Boko Haram, etc.), its sympathizers, and states/entities that provide it with material support go straight to hell.
I agree with that part, but the problem is you have to deal with the minority when they pose a continuous threat to public safety. I would love to recruit the non-deplorable Muslims to aid us....thoughts on how?
ImTheCaptain
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I have no problem with said program. Just pointing out it worked in its specific ways but not entirely. I find it hard to believe it would doable in 2017 and not coming on the heals of vanquishing archetype-defining evil
Strickland33
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Two points:
Do you think that muslims worldwide are just sitting back and doing nothing? I don't think that this is the case. Plenty of muslims internationally and domestically are aiding "us."
A preliminary suggestion that I have is rhetorical. Maybe we should consider American/British muslims "us," rather than "them." Nobody likes being written off as deplorable.
So I hear.
As to your first point, sure, but are enough doing enough? I have my doubts. FFS, we give the Pakistanis $5B and they're hiding OBL in the shadows of their military academy?
Strickland33
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I don't know. What do you think?
Sorry, I was editing while you were typing. No, not even close. I don't mean the average citizens. Crazy Muslims kill a lot of innocent people, and most of them are other Muslims. I am sure that the average person in those countries wants a better life and views the jihadis as an enormous obstacle to normalcy.
But you can't convince me that the PTB over there are not only turning a blind eye to it, they are fomenting tension as a way to take the collective eye of their personal ball.
RaleighDevil
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The argument: Treat the Muslims the way Sherman and Sheridan treated the Confederacy.
https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2017/06/03/counter-terror-lessons-from-americas-civil-war/
The essay below first appeared a year ago in The Asia Times, under the headline, "Why the terrorists are winning the intelligence war." There's a tried and true American approach to suppressing terrorism, and it worked quite well during Gen. Sherman's 1863 Kentucky campaign and Gen. Phil Sheridan's subsequent reduction of the Shenandoah Valley. We don't have to be particularly smart; we merely have to do some disgusting things. Sherman and Sheridan suppressed sniping at Union soldiers by Confederate civilians by burning the towns (just the towns, not the townsfolk) that sheltered them. In other words, they forced collective responsibility upon a hostile population, a doctrine that in peacetime is entirely repugnant, but that in wartime becomes unavoidable. By contrast, the peacetime procedure of turning petty criminals into police snitches has backfired terribly. No doubt we will learn that the perpetrators of tonight's horror at London Bridge were known to police, like the Manchester Arena suicide bomber and most of the perpetrators of large-scale terrorist acts in Europe during the past several years. (Update: "At Least One London Bridge Terrorist Was a 'Known Wolf'") The remedy is time-tested and straightforward. We merely require the will to apply it. ...
As the Prussian army drove into France during the 1870 war with France, Germany’s Chancellor Otto von Bismarck sought the advice of the American military observer, none other than Phil Sheridan, whose cavalry had burned out the farmers of the Shenandoah Valley in the last stages of the conflict. What should Bismarck do about French snipers and saboteurs from villages along the Prussian route of march? Sheridan told Bismarck to burn the villages, leaving the people “with nothing left but their eyes to weep with after the war.” That, and hang the snipers, Sheridan threw in.
https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2017/06/03/counter-terror-lessons-from-americas-civil-war/
The essay below first appeared a year ago in The Asia Times, under the headline, "Why the terrorists are winning the intelligence war." There's a tried and true American approach to suppressing terrorism, and it worked quite well during Gen. Sherman's 1863 Kentucky campaign and Gen. Phil Sheridan's subsequent reduction of the Shenandoah Valley. We don't have to be particularly smart; we merely have to do some disgusting things. Sherman and Sheridan suppressed sniping at Union soldiers by Confederate civilians by burning the towns (just the towns, not the townsfolk) that sheltered them. In other words, they forced collective responsibility upon a hostile population, a doctrine that in peacetime is entirely repugnant, but that in wartime becomes unavoidable. By contrast, the peacetime procedure of turning petty criminals into police snitches has backfired terribly. No doubt we will learn that the perpetrators of tonight's horror at London Bridge were known to police, like the Manchester Arena suicide bomber and most of the perpetrators of large-scale terrorist acts in Europe during the past several years. (Update: "At Least One London Bridge Terrorist Was a 'Known Wolf'") The remedy is time-tested and straightforward. We merely require the will to apply it. ...
As the Prussian army drove into France during the 1870 war with France, Germany’s Chancellor Otto von Bismarck sought the advice of the American military observer, none other than Phil Sheridan, whose cavalry had burned out the farmers of the Shenandoah Valley in the last stages of the conflict. What should Bismarck do about French snipers and saboteurs from villages along the Prussian route of march? Sheridan told Bismarck to burn the villages, leaving the people “with nothing left but their eyes to weep with after the war.” That, and hang the snipers, Sheridan threw in.
ImTheCaptain
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And who paid for the repairs during reconstruction?
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Won't work the southern rubes are still not over it and will rise again.
WFcatamount22
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Statistically speaking only 20% of muslims support jihadist. So something like 360 million people.