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MBB Game 9: Clemson Tigers at Littlejohn - Friday 7 pm

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Fresh off a Q1 win in Madison, the Deacs head to SC for the ACC Opener at Littlejohn, where the Deacs could grab Q1 win #2. The Cliff Notes on the Tigers:

Coach Brad Brownell: Hard to type this, but Brad Brownell owns Wake Forest. OWNS. This is Brownell's 13th season with the Tigers. He is 13-2 against WF, including a clean 9-0 at home, and only two of those nine losses were less than double digits. WF has been Winthrop against Clemson over the last decade+, except that Winthrop has won at Clemson more recently than WF.

2022-23 Tigers: #61 Clemson sits at 6-2 on the season and is coming off a 101-94 2OT win over #35 Penn State. Clemson's results to date are set forth below.

Clemson is a solid offensive team (#44):
  • #44 in offensive efficiency
  • #26 in TO%
  • #20 in 3 PT%
  • #48 in effective FG%
Clemson's only red stat on offense is that they don't offensive rebound (#285 in O board %)

Defensively (#85):
  • #64 in 2 PT defense
  • #81 in overall effective FG defense
  • #171 in defensive TO%
  • #141 in preventing offensive boards
Clemson's primary defensive short-coming is that their aggressive defense leads to fouls (#239 in defensive FTA/FGA). As a result, opponents have made FTs against Clemson (#335 in opponents FT%).

Clemson plays at a slow tempo (67 possession per game), but they particularly excel at preventing easy baskets and forcing opponents to score in the half-court (#14 longest defensive possessions)

The Roster:

Starters last night against PSU:

G 6-3 Chase Hunter: A rare bird in today's college game: 4th year, all at the same program, has improved each year. Leads in scoring and assists; torched WF last year with 21 points
G 6-3 Brevin Galloway: 5th year, double transfer Charleston/BC; 11 ppg; 30% from 3; 2nd in assists; double figures in 5 of Clemson's 8 games
G 6-4 Alex Hemmenway: Another 4th year player at Clemson; brings one thing to the table: SHOOTING; 47% from 3 this year; 41% last year; 4 for 6 from three against PSU; leave him open and pain results
F 6-8 Hunter Tyson: 5th YEAR AT CLEMSON; has developed into an excellent player; 119 O rating leads Clemson; 43% from 3; will hit big shots; 24 points and 9 boards against PSU
F/C 6-10 PJ Hall: Hall was among the ACC elite big men (double figures against every ACC opponent until he was hurt in 2022); PSU was his first start this season: 22 points against PSU; he is back at full speed after off-season surgery

Bench:
G 6-3 Josh Beadle: Frosh, defense specialist; 0 for 7 from three; athlete
F 6-7 Ian Schieffelin: Soph, improved: 97 O rating in 2022; 120 O rating this year; 60% from 2; 8 points and 4 boards against PSU; 2nd in boards
C 6-10 Ben Middlebrooks: Soph, 240 pounds; 59% from 2; no threat from 3; started first 7 games

Projection: KP projects a 74-70 Tigers win in 69 possessions; Torvik 73-69 Clemson.

Recent history says WF has no chance. Brownell hasn't just dominated the previous two inferior WF coaches, but he has had no problems against Steve Forbes either. WF's worst game in 2021 was an embarrassing 60-39 WF loss to Clemson at the Joel. As we all remember, last season's nauseating 80-69 loss (when Clemson didn't have PJ Hall) played a big role in WF's failure to secure an NCAAT bid. Got to believe that Forbes had this game circled on the schedule: ACC opener, Clemson is a team that may be battling WF for an NCAAT bid, Brownell has been Forbes' daddy.

Despite the motivational factors, Clemson is better than initially thought. Prior confident feelings about WF's first win at Clemson since January 17, 2009 (which vaulted the Deacs to a #1 ranking - think about that) have waned. Clemson is solid and under-valued. These two teams have similar profiles and will likely split (Clemson plays at WF in January).

After the Tigers lost to a bad S. Carolina team early this season, felt good about WF's chances here, but Clemson has quickly improved as they almost beat an elite Iowa team last week and took down #35 PSU last night (a game that Clemson should have won in regulation - after Clemson missed multiple FTs, PSU hit a banked three pointer to force OT). Brownell has a veteran team, and everyone knows their roles Hall is back and is close to full speed. Clemson has size and three point shooting. Brownell's teams always play tough D. December games are rarely important, but it would be huge for WF to open the season with a road win against a team that will be battling WF all year in the ACC standings. Both teams are coming off tough/impressive wins. Would lean WF ATS if the line climbs above 4 as this game will likely be close. Would also lean under if the total is 143 or less as the coaches may tighten the reigns in the ACC opener. A win could be important come March.


DateOpponentResultSpreadTotalMoney
11/07CitadelW 80-69-18.0Ov 137.0-1818
11/11S CarolinaL 58-60-3.5Un 135.0-164
11/15SC UpstateW 81-70-21.0Ov 138.0-2408
11/18BellarmineW 76-66-11.5Ov 132.5-724
11/21Loyola-MDW 72-41-15.0Un 134.0-1367
11/25IowaL 71-74+8.5Un 149.5+295
11/26CaliforniaW 67-59-10.5Ov 124.0-550
11/29Penn StateW 101-94-2.0Ov 132.0-13
 
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In appearance of play and strategy, they look a lot like Wisconsin. They aren't as tall but quicker.

Need to play under control but run. If we score 80+ we can win.
 
Need to play under control but run. If we score 80+ we can win.
Clown.

No on has scored 80 on Clemson this year in regulation. Iowa has the #6 offense in the nation. They average 89 ppg on their opponents other than Clemson. They scored 74 against Clemson (and won). WF doesn't need to score 80+ to win.
 
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Here is the aforementioned "Alex Hemenway" game from 2 years ago where that dopey-looking bastard hit 5-6 3s and scored 17 points in a 60-39 beatdown of Wake @ the Joel.

That remained his career high until he poured in 18 points vs. SC Upstate earlier this season.

You may not want to watch this... There is a decent amount of Whitt & Massoud. You've been warned.

 
Seems like Brownell has been on and off the hot seat the past 6-7 years, making Wake's woeful record v Clemson even more glaring.
 
Here is the aforementioned "Alex Hemenway" game from 2 years ago where that dopey-looking bastard hit 5-6 3s and scored 17 points in a 60-39 beatdown of Wake @ the Joel.

That remained his career high until he poured in 18 points vs. SC Upstate earlier this season.

You may not want to watch this... There is a decent amount of Whitt & Massoud. You've been warned.


In an empty gym too. All around awful.
 
Seems like Brownell has been on and off the hot seat the past 6-7 years, making Wake's woeful record v Clemson even more glaring.
Getting those wins is part of why he is still employed.
 
last won at Clemson when Keller was in Kindergarten. Posted elsewhere but WF is 2-11 in its last 13 trips to Death Valley, and 2-11 in its last 13 trips to Littlejohn.
 
Getting those wins is part of why he is still employed.
Brownell is 103-111 (.481) in the ACC.
Brownell is 90-109 (.452) in the ACC minus Wake games.
 
I hate Bally games.
They are so bad. However, the Canes broadcast quality has improved greatly from two seasons ago when I started using the Bally's app and casting to my TV. I'm hoping the same happens for WF games.
 
Clemson lost to South Carolina, South Carolina is very ungood at basketball right now.
 
They are so bad. However, the Canes broadcast quality has improved greatly from two seasons ago when I started using the Bally's app and casting to my TV. I'm hoping the same happens for WF games.
I use Bally for Braves a ton. The app is sooooo much better than the actual channel. I have no idea why.
 
I'm sure Forbes still has a bad taste in his mouth from the @Clemson game last year. That derailed our potential NCAAT bid.

Obviously, Wisc is a huge confidence builder. Winning in an extremely hostile environment that goes down to the last shot was good prep for Clemson.

Hopefully we don't have another guy go nuts from 3 in this game.
 
Clown.

No on has scored 80 on Clemson this year in regulation. Iowa has the #6 offense in the nation. They average 89 ppg on their opponents other than Clemson. They scored 74 against Clemson (and won). WF doesn't need to score 80+ to win.
Didn't say we had to get 80 to win. Confident that 80 or + would be a W. They got 80 on us last year. Many losses to ACC trams under Brownell were when opponent hit 80 or higher.
 
What is our combined losing streak at Littlejohn and GT? Neither of these basketball programs should be delivering embarassing losing streaks, especially not Littlejohn and its roomy 10K seat arena.

Edit-forgot we won at GT last year, but IIRC it was a while before that.
 
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