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Miami beats Dook!!

liveanddiedeac said:
Yeah Miami is going to forfeit, lol!!!!!! Seriously, it shouldn't be their place to do that over an officiating screw-up anyway.
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Exactly. As if Duke would do that if the tables were turned. We can look at K's tenure to know that ain't gonna happen.

Hey Duke, sorry you feel screwed on a bad call on the last play, but your lead came on an equally bad play just before this. So consider this a "makeup call," if it makes you feel better. No? Well, let's see a show of hands of teams that have been screwed by obviously bad calls. Look, there's one, there's another, and another....and here's Wake with both hands up. So sit down, Duke, and quit yer whining.
 
awaken said:
Exactly. As if Duke would do that if the tables were turned. We can look at K's tenure to know that ain't gonna happen.

Hey Duke, sorry you feel screwed on a bad call on the last play, but your lead came on an equally bad play just before this. So consider this a "makeup call," if it makes you feel better. No? Well, let's see a show of hands of teams that have been screwed by obviously bad calls. Look, there's one, there's another, and another....and here's Wake with both hands up. So sit down, Duke, and quit yer whining.
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Plus Duke still gave up the play. Yes, the knee down should've been called, as well as a block in the back, but they still didn't tackle anybody on that play.
 
Maybe cutcliff can say his back was hurting and get the lose expunged from his W/L record. Just ask K, I am sure he can walk you through it.
 
scooter84 said:
There are no circumstances under which it is going to make sense to overturn the final result of a game based on one or more bad calls. No matter how much it hurts, or seems unfair, bad calls are simply part of the game. Replay is supposed to give us the opportunity to fix many of them during the game, but, once the game is over, it is over.

I remember the year in basketball when Wake got screwed by two last minute calls - one that awarded a field goal to the other team even though it was released just after the final buzzer and the other that awarded the other team a 3-pointer even though replay showed the shooter's toe to be on the line. This was before instant replay so they couldn't be fixed during the game. But, it was obvious after the fact that we got screwed and should have won the game. Did anyone start a movement to have the results of the games overturned? Hell no.

It is so perfect that it is only when it is Duke that has been wronged that now people are trying to argue that the game result should be reversed. Ridiculous concept.
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Laron Profit, Duncan's senior year. Wake would have passed Kansas and become the #1 team in the nation. Dude played at a rival HS and hit a half court shot to beat us my senior year. Rough.
 
qcdeac said:
Najeh Davenport says hello.
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sbnation.com said:
Let's revisit 2002. It was a heady time. The Lord of the Rings trilogy was not yet complete, Eminem was the world's top-grossing musician, Najeh Davenport of the Green Bay Packers pooped in a laundry hamper and accepted a plea deal.
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During his career, Davenport was given the nicknames "Dookie"[10] and "The Dump Truck."[11]
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lmao
 
Based on what I have seen with ACC replays this year, it does not surprise me that:

1. All those pass interference calls were made against Miami. They have been making it rain with downfield flags.

2. The official missed the knee down. Not one of the tv guys thought it was an issue. Official was in place but it happened very fast.

3. The replay guy did not change the call. I believe he was down, but a case could be made that you could not know for sure if the ball was loose in his hand. They don't change many calls unless it is very clear. For example the Duke quarterback probably did not cross the goal line.

My problem was the whole thing with a nine minute review and poor communication that was misleading.

I only saw one clear block in the back. In one case the Duke guy turned his back on the blocker and it was very close on the last unnecessary block.
 
Partree said:
so here's the definition of irony.......

the ACC suspends the refereeing crew for their mishandling of the the return by Miami, and then names Corn Elder the player that ultimately ran back the kick specialist of the week. You just can't make this stuff up.......

http://www.theacc.com/news/acc-football-weekly-awards-highlighted-by-national-honoree-11-02-2015
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Wasn't Elder twice called for PI on Dook's final TD drive? That makes his selection (even as a specialist) even more ironic.
 
Lohengrin said:
What's "right" is having the officials call the game and declaring a winner, contemporaneously with the playing of the game. The officials are the final arbiter. It's written that way in the NCAA rulebook, and it's there for a reason. Reversing the final decision of the referees would unhinge the entire validity of officiating and open it up to political machinations coming into play with committees and administrators after the fact, all of whom have dogs in the fight. No thanks. Do you want "the ACC" to make the final judgments on games after they've been played? The officiating is often the worst way of deciding a contest, except for all the other alternatives.
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Exactly, and everybody is human here, players, coaches & referees who all make mistakes. So when the game is final it is final, just as in basketball when the officials leave the floor. There is no changing it no matter what happened on the field of play. You can't re-shoot a missed free throw with 6 seconds to go in the game, you can't re-snap a bad interception in OT like Luck might have wanted to do against the Panthers on Monday night, you can't re-do the fake punt that didn't get the first down. They were all human errors. This was a game that was actually pretty well officiated until for 59 minutes and 54 seconds, by really good ACC football officials. Then for 6 seconds all hell broke loose. End of story. If you have ever officiated a game in your life of any kind, you know what I mean. Except it was on this stage. And if had been for instance Vandy- Kentucky, it would not have had these implications. Except this one did. And it has been on every news outlet, ESPN & Today Show. That is the world officials live in, so be it. Part of the job. They will move on to officiate another game in 2 more weeks.
 
Oh, I don't know about that not Reff. In 1972 at the Münich Olympics the Russian Olympic basketball team got the officials to keep replaying the end of the game over and over again until they finally scored a basket and won the game and the gold medal.
 
sailordeac said:
Oh, I don't know about that not Reff. In 1972 at the Münich Olympics the Russian Olympic basketball team got the officials to keep replaying the end of the game over and over again until they finally scored a basket and won the game and the gold medal.
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Ref still thinks the officials did that game right.
 
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The ACC is saying Miami can forfeit the win, if they want to. Seriously? Put the onus on Miami not the officials for not getting stuff right.
 
Can dook forfeit the game since Sirk didn't get it into the endzone on the play before?

Oh, wait.... dook lost! :thumbsup:
 
liveanddiedeac said:
Plus Duke still gave up the play. Yes, the knee down should've been called, as well as a block in the back, but they still didn't tackle anybody on that play.
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Yeah, seriously. There was like 1,000,000 laterals on that play and it wasn't even close to being perfectly executed. The Miami player was down, but it was very poorly defended.
 
TheReff said:
Exactly, and everybody is human here, players, coaches & referees who all make mistakes. So when the game is final it is final, just as in basketball when the officials leave the floor. There is no changing it no matter what happened on the field of play. You can't re-shoot a missed free throw with 6 seconds to go in the game, you can't re-snap a bad interception in OT like Luck might have wanted to do against the Panthers on Monday night, you can't re-do the fake punt that didn't get the first down. They were all human errors. This was a game that was actually pretty well officiated until for 59 minutes and 54 seconds, by really good ACC football officials. Then for 6 seconds all hell broke loose. End of story. If you have ever officiated a game in your life of any kind, you know what I mean. Except it was on this stage. And if had been for instance Vandy- Kentucky, it would not have had these implications. Except this one did. And it has been on every news outlet, ESPN & Today Show. That is the world officials live in, so be it. Part of the job. They will move on to officiate another game in 2 more weeks.
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Can someone please explain why the game can not be over turned when the error in question was on the last play of the game and no subsequent plays would take place ? An actual reason why it just could not be done...or should not. replays are valid until the next snap right ?
 
TheReff said:
Exactly, and everybody is human here, players, coaches & referees who all make mistakes. So when the game is final it is final, just as in basketball when the officials leave the floor. There is no changing it no matter what happened on the field of play. You can't re-shoot a missed free throw with 6 seconds to go in the game, you can't re-snap a bad interception in OT like Luck might have wanted to do against the Panthers on Monday night, you can't re-do the fake punt that didn't get the first down. They were all human errors. This was a game that was actually pretty well officiated until for 59 minutes and 54 seconds, by really good ACC football officials. Then for 6 seconds all hell broke loose. End of story. If you have ever officiated a game in your life of any kind, you know what I mean. Except it was on this stage. And if had been for instance Vandy- Kentucky, it would not have had these implications. Except this one did. And it has been on every news outlet, ESPN & Today Show. That is the world officials live in, so be it. Part of the job. They will move on to officiate another game in 2 more weeks.
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Um, no.....I've got ref in my posting name, and I don't even believe that for a second. There were officiating atrocities committed WELL before the final play in that game, that crazy play just put the cherry on top of a crap sundae.
 
WindyCityDeac said:
Can someone please explain why the game can not be over turned when the error in question was on the last play of the game and no subsequent plays would take place ? An actual reason why it just could not be done...or should not. replays are valid until the next snap right ?
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Because the game is over when the refs declare the game is final per NCAA rules which they did.

For reasons why the rule shouldn't be what you said see the previous couple pages re: makes the last play disproportionally meaningful and impactful
 
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