Official ACC Basketball Thread: UVA beats Maryland in overtime!
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seventwofour
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Lots of close games down the stretch. Oregon-UCLA and Creighton-Witchita St. within a possession under 3 minutes.
Wakeforest22890
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It's not about playing "slow basketball" really, it's just that when you play them you can't drive down the lane at all because of the pack line and you end up holding the ball for 25 to 30 seconds a possession without getting a shot off.
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Just got back. That 1st half was the hottest shooting UVA has had all year. Even Anderson was canning everything he threw at the basket. And FSU was god awful. Seems like they could do a better job getting Snaer the ball, but they weren't running him off screens all that much. I've said this before about UVA. They've been real banged up, and they don't have reliable scoring outside of Harris and Mitchell down low. But they play good D, and when some of the other guys are hitting, they're a dangerous team. And in games when the other guys can't throw it in the ocean, they score 40 points and lose - pretty much that simple.
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Standings update below. Tonight's game is Clemson @ NCSt. Wolfpack are favored by 9 (78%). 6:00, ESPNU.
1) #3 Duke 15-3
2) #20 Miami 14-4
3) #26 NCSt 12-6
4) #39 UVA 11-7
5) #52 UNC 9-9
6) #58 UMD 9-9
7) #66 Clem 9-9
8) #83 FSU 8-10
9) #86 GT 6-12
10) #138 WF 6-12
11) #128 BC 5-13
12) #148 VT 5-13
1) #3 Duke 15-3
2) #20 Miami 14-4
3) #26 NCSt 12-6
4) #39 UVA 11-7
5) #52 UNC 9-9
6) #58 UMD 9-9
7) #66 Clem 9-9
8) #83 FSU 8-10
9) #86 GT 6-12
10) #138 WF 6-12
11) #128 BC 5-13
12) #148 VT 5-13
UVA at #39 still shows the inherent flaw in KenPom. There's absolutely no rational way to say a team that has lost to ODU, Wake and Clemson (each of whom are world class bad) should be in the Top 100 much less the Top 40.
They suck. They played one good half against another sucky team and Stonz re-anoints them. UVa is lucky there are four teams that would likely would have come in last in 22-24 of the past twenty-five years (obviously not this year, because only one can come in last this years).
They suck. They played one good half against another sucky team and Stonz re-anoints them. UVa is lucky there are four teams that would likely would have come in last in 22-24 of the past twenty-five years (obviously not this year, because only one can come in last this years).
Wakeforest22890
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I think comparing teams now to individual conferences over the past X number of years is inherently flawed because almost all the conferences are worse. Good players are being more evenly distributed to other teams and it's not likely that we're going to see a power conference as dominant now as it used to be in the past.
This year the ACC is ranked third as a conference (behind the Big 10 and Big East) and everybody thinks the ACC is terrible. It's all relative and we are bad compared to how we have been some other years, but we're still the third best conference this year.
Also as a side note: Belmont will likely get a bid even if they somehow lose their conference tournament right? Going to end up with around 25 wins and are going to finish top 30 in KenPom and RPI.
This year the ACC is ranked third as a conference (behind the Big 10 and Big East) and everybody thinks the ACC is terrible. It's all relative and we are bad compared to how we have been some other years, but we're still the third best conference this year.
Also as a side note: Belmont will likely get a bid even if they somehow lose their conference tournament right? Going to end up with around 25 wins and are going to finish top 30 in KenPom and RPI.
All that being true, UVA still sucks. There is no rational metric that a places team who loses to multiple bad teams Wake, ODU and Clemson recently in the Top 40.
Add losses to Delaware and George Mason and you can't be a Top 40.
It's one thing for a rating to be off in November or mid-December. Teams have played over half their games.
Add losses to Delaware and George Mason and you can't be a Top 40.
It's one thing for a rating to be off in November or mid-December. Teams have played over half their games.
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Made a slight addition. Every conference can't be worse haha. Being born in the 90s, I don't have any first-hand knowledge about the college basketball landscape from the 70s and 80s, but my sense is that mid-majors are significantly more competitive nowadays, for a wide variety of reasons.
RJ, lots of teams look bad if you only focus on their poor performances. Lets talk about the good side of Virginia for a second. So far this year:
-9 point win over #124 Fairfield
-40 point win over #197 Seattle
-6 point win @ #15 Wisconsin (!)
-16 point win over #116 Wisc-Green Bay
-8 point win over #91 Tennessee
-9 point win over #52 North Carolina
-20 point win over #83 Florida St
Hilarious to hear you talk about rational opinions, when you are arguing that a team that is 4-1 against the top 100 is not a top 100 team.
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Wakeforest22890
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Yeah good addition, I meant that the mid-majors and even some of the low-majors are more competitive.
Having to cite Fairfield, Seattle and WI-GB as good wins shows how weak your team is.
Beating WI and UNC is good.
Losing to Wake, ODU and Clemson more than balance TN and F$U and one of the good wins.
If it make you happier to say they might be as good and #90, go for it.
In no universe and by no rational model could they ever be Top 40 or Top 60. They are not close to being a good team.
On a relative scale, they can't all be worse. On an absolute scale they can be though.
One interesting trend has been that the trend towards parity of the last few years is now hitting the trend towards consolidation head on. Point and case, the two best teams in the A10 this year were in the Caa and Horizon respectively last year. The best Cusa teams have moved to the big east or MWC, which is better than the p12 and SEC this year. 98% of thebest teams are located in the top 11 conferences still, but they may not consist if the historical powers as the conferences get larger.
The flip side us that larger conferences also means more really bad teams in each of those conferences than ever before.
Wakeforest22890
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UVA is on pace to make the NCAA tournament. They're a good team.
TheIshThatSaved WakeForest
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That's the projected ACC final standings.
Ah got ya. Thanks.
I wouldn't call 2-2 in conference "on pace". If they continue that pace, they'll end up at 9-9 and not get in The Dance.
If by some miracle they get in, it's because of the weakest conference schedule imaginable.
They are not a good team.
Southern Deac
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Virginia at Charlottesville may end up being a good team, but nothing they have done to date indicates they are even close to a good team. Their resume to date is not good - outside of a home win over a mediocre Carolina team it is very poor.
Wakeforest22890
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They beat Wisconsin AT Wisconsin, a team who just beat Indiana at Indiana. That's most certainly a good win.
