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Official Election Month Thread: COUP falls short, nothing to see here

birdman said:
In defense of Gen X's, I'll add that since the onset of our professional lives we've suffered through the Clinton Impeachment debacle, the 2000 election, 9/11, 2008 housing collapse, and now COVID. A 50 year old now was ~ 27 when Newt Gingrich launched his completely cynical impeachment of Clinton, 30 during the 2000 election charade, ~31 when the planes hit the twin towers, ~ 38 when the 2008 housing collapse hit and 50 when Covid came along. I think disillusionment and a feeling of powerlessness with the system is a pretty valid response to that series of events.
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Every generation has it own set of world events that to some extent, shape who they are. Just off the top of my head, Boomers saw the Cuban Missile Crisis, during which we had air raid drills in school that required us to hide under our desks with our hands on our heads, the Kennedy assassination, Vietnam and the associated marches and protests, the King and Bobby Kennedy assassinations in 1968, riots in cities across the country (My family was living in Elizabeth, NJ in 1967. There were a few days in July that year when my mother wouldn't let us out of the house at night.), the Nixon impeachment proceedings and his subsequent resignation, double digit interest rates when many were trying to buy their first home, just to name a few.

Disillusionment with the system would be an understatement. The Counter Culture didn't happen by accident.
 
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I think Shorty's write-up way understates the impact the draft and the war in Vietnam had on males of the boomer generation. When you turned 18, you had to register for the military draft. Famous people (Willie Mays, Elvis Pressley, for example) were drafted and served. Others refused to report when drafted.

The US military involvement in Southeast Asia began shortly after the partition of Vietnam. The U.S. provided a very small number of military advisors to the non-communist South Vietnam which was battling the communist North Vietnam. The small numbers got bigger in the early 1960's. In 1964, with the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, the mission changed from advisors to front line battle troops.

From 1964 to 1975, almost 9 million people served in the US military. Almost 40% spent time in Southeast Asia, primarily Vietnam. Over 2 million men were drafted during this time, out of a pool of about 27 million eligible men. Many of the volunteers did so to have some choice of military occupation. Most draftees became infantrymen. (Fewer than 10,000 women served in Vietnam. About 9,000 of them were nurses.)

The draft (and likelihood of going to 'nam) was a very important factor in education and career choices for many young men. The War in Vietnam was a near daily story on the nightly network news shows. And there were no other channels to watch. This nightly show of the horrors of war kept the anti-war movement fueled. Most of the boomer generation knew one or more young men who went to Vietnam, got wounded or killed there. They were our brothers, cousins and neighbors. Many of those who returned were reviled for having served, rather than celebrated for their service. The divide between those who served and those who protested has persisted to this day.
 
Official Election Month Thread: "We're dealing with f***in infants!"

And that resulted in boomers supporting a perpetual war effort in which they use other people’s money to send other people to war and make a ton of money for themselves.
 
Deaconblue said:
I think Shorty's write-up way understates the impact the draft and the war in Vietnam had on males of the boomer generation. When you turned 18, you had to register for the military draft. Famous people (Willie Mays, Elvis Pressley, for example) were drafted and served. Others refused to report when drafted.

The US military involvement in Southeast Asia began shortly after the partition of Vietnam. The U.S. provided a very small number of military advisors to the non-communist South Vietnam which was battling the communist North Vietnam. The small numbers got bigger in the early 1960's. In 1964, with the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, the mission changed from advisors to front line battle troops.

From 1964 to 1975, almost 9 million people served in the US military. Almost 40% spent time in Southeast Asia, primarily Vietnam. Over 2 million men were drafted during this time, out of a pool of about 27 million eligible men. Many of the volunteers did so to have some choice of military occupation. Most draftees became infantrymen. (Fewer than 10,000 women served in Vietnam. About 9,000 of them were nurses.)

The draft (and likelihood of going to 'nam) was a very important factor in education and career choices for many young men. The War in Vietnam was a near daily story on the nightly network news shows. And there were no other channels to watch. This nightly show of the horrors of war kept the anti-war movement fueled. Most of the boomer generation knew one or more young men who went to Vietnam, got wounded or killed there. They were our brothers, cousins and neighbors. Many of those who returned were reviled for having served, rather than celebrated for their service. The divide between those who served and those who protested has persisted to this day.
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Deaconblue said:
I think Shorty's write-up way understates the impact the draft and the war in Vietnam had on males of the boomer generation. When you turned 18, you had to register for the military draft. Famous people (Willie Mays, Elvis Pressley, for example) were drafted and served. Others refused to report when drafted.

The US military involvement in Southeast Asia began shortly after the partition of Vietnam. The U.S. provided a very small number of military advisors to the non-communist South Vietnam which was battling the communist North Vietnam. The small numbers got bigger in the early 1960's. In 1964, with the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, the mission changed from advisors to front line battle troops.

From 1964 to 1975, almost 9 million people served in the US military. Almost 40% spent time in Southeast Asia, primarily Vietnam. Over 2 million men were drafted during this time, out of a pool of about 27 million eligible men. Many of the volunteers did so to have some choice of military occupation. Most draftees became infantrymen. (Fewer than 10,000 women served in Vietnam. About 9,000 of them were nurses.)

The draft (and likelihood of going to 'nam) was a very important factor in education and career choices for many young men. The War in Vietnam was a near daily story on the nightly network news shows. And there were no other channels to watch. This nightly show of the horrors of war kept the anti-war movement fueled. Most of the boomer generation knew one or more young men who went to Vietnam, got wounded or killed there. They were our brothers, cousins and neighbors. Many of those who returned were reviled for having served, rather than celebrated for their service. The divide between those who served and those who protested has persisted to this day.
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Meanwhile I know of two boomer/silent generation presidential candidate that served in Vietnam. One had is patriotism challenged and the validity of his injury and valor medals challenged by a bunch of privileged draft dodgers, and the other guy, a POW, was mocked for being captured by another shitty draft dodger. Plus the perpetual wars in the Middle East that Ph mentioned. It's almost as if the lesson the Boomers learned was that the goal is to be the Fortunate Son rather than to use military government power judiciously and for the betterment of society.

I agree that Vietnam did a number on the collective psyche of the Boomer generation, but how they handled it when they eventually came to power in the 90s-present, is pretty fucking backwards. I think that is another reason why Xers feel (generally) disenchanted with the premise of public service and engaging with government.
 
You mean the only generation to ever have a balanced federal budget?

You mean the generation that gave the world the greatest music ever? The music of the BOOMER generation changed the world. It was central to civil rights movement, anti-war movement, women's lib movement, student movements. countercultures movement and changed societal smores on many levels.

The DIFFERENCE between boommers and MILLENNIALS is that if we saw a problem we didn't fish it away, we went and tried to fix it. VIOLA! Microwave Popcorn. They WHINE, BLAME others for it and post videos of their weak effeminine friends getting dominated on social media.

When BOOMERS knew something was wrong we took street and campuses to change it. We took to street in the 60s for civil rights. We took to street to end war in Viet Nam. We took to street and changed the social construct of this country.

MILLIONS of us risked jail, being beaten and even killed to stand up for what we believed in. You guys might tweet couple of times and put something on Whatssup.

We took chances and created businesses. The BOOMERS generation created amost of what yyou emo orca-fat MILLENNIALS uses. no iPads, no PCs, no shopping malls....no surround sound....no microwave popcorn....Millennials don't do that. They want others to do it for them.

My bad, maybe if you offer vape pens, lattes and free car detailing, MILLENNIALS will leave their mamas basements.

What is SAD and HILARIOUS is that nobody even acknowledge that most of today's economy is based on what boomers invented. We created the intergated economy of the future. We created an intergated world economy. And for you MILLENNIALS who keep saying the PC was inventied in 1941, it's like saying that Da Vinci inventied the helicopter and other things that weren't used for hundreds of years was the key. PCs were not by the public until BOOMERS made them accessible to the world as opposed to millennials, who are too fucking lazy to even get out and vote.

But's it's the fault of boomersthat subsequent generations aren't handed the WORLD on a silver platter. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

My bad. It was the work and taxes of the Boomers that paid for the SS and Medicare of the "Greatest Generation". When the so-called "greatest Generation" took power, they amped up the Cold War and Viet Nam.

What has Gen-X and after created besides the Facebook and MyFaces? Which are the internet's version of writing on bathroom walls. Boomers are the music makers, the dreamers of dreams, the job creators. Gen X and millennials don't create as many new businesses. As we expected they want mommy and daddy hand it to them. MILLENNIALS want everything for nothing. Instant gratification or constant, incessant, increasing volumes of whining.

Now go back to polishing your 7th place trophies and let us BOOMERS get back to fixing the economy and vaccinations. Your welcome.
 
It's almost as though they're just spewing bullshit to poison the well, then backing out right before they have to face legal ramifications for their lies.

And Trumpers just gobble it up.
 
Demonwolverine said:
It's almost as though they're just spewing bullshit to poison the well, then backing out right before they have to face legal ramifications for their lies.

And Trumpers just gobble it up.
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fundraising man, fundraising. gotta get those ends, yo
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
You request an absentee ballot with a signature which is then checked. You then receive your absentee ballot, fill it out with a signature, which is then checked. If things do not match you are given time to cure your ballot, whatever problem that may have occurred up to 3 days after the election. Uncured and unmatched ballots are not counted. If everything matches the ballot is removed and counted, separating it from the envelope signature.

I believe one insane remedy that Trump and other dipshits were proposing in some of their lawsuits, not just GA but PA and MI as well, was to check a random number of signatures on envelopes, say like 1,000 and determine if any of them under more scrutiny can be discarded. So say 5% or something claim don't match, then apply that 5% universally across the county or state, since more Biden voters used mail, he loses more votes than Trump and look at that Trump wins.
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Yep, and they're targeting signatures because it's a goldmine of subjectivity. My license was issued 7 years ago and at the time you signed a black square with a peg thing about the size of a fat piece of chalk. No video screen or 2nd chance possible, and it was small as hell. The print on my license is pixelated and about half the size of the original. It looks awful, there's zero detail in anything other than huge letters. Yet that is the source of a "match" for a current ballot. Definitely has some "hanging chad" level potential.
 
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This is their position of leadership. Republicans sow disdain for government and those who serve in government. It’s at the core of the party. Their base loves guns and violence. So the politicians lead from behind.
 
Checking in from alternate reality they are not taking Barr’s statement well.

 
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