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Official Pit Job Search/Employment Thread

I've just been temp-appointed to a role that has me feeling like the Secretary of Education being promoted to VP. A bit of imposter syndrome going on, but my main job will be to be present and think for the good of the org. I can definitely do that - I am never short on thoughts and opinions.
 
Congratulations! Is it a job you want or could see yourself in one day?
 
I've just been temp-appointed to a role that has me feeling like the Secretary of Education being promoted to VP. A bit of imposter syndrome going on, but my main job will be to be present and think for the good of the org. I can definitely do that - I am never short on thoughts and opinions.
Are you no longer with the Portland PD?

And you got this. One of my biggest revelations when I got a promotion like that was that you were there for a reason, and pretty much everyone is just making shit up as they go along and doing the best they can.

FRFR, my revelation was this cycle:

1) I have no idea what I'm doing

a few months

2) It's cool, because no one really knows what they're doing

2 years later

3) I know what I'm doing but Holy Fuck, no one knows what they are doing, time to get out.
 
Are you no longer with the Portland PD?

And you got this. One of my biggest revelations when I got a promotion like that was that you were there for a reason, and pretty much everyone is just making shit up as they go along and doing the best they can.

FRFR, my revelation was this cycle:

1) I have no idea what I'm doing

a few months

2) It's cool, because no one really knows what they're doing

2 years later

3) I know what I'm doing but Holy Fuck, no one knows what they are doing, time to get out.
Right. Just when you figure out the whole imposter syndrome thing, then you know enough to be keenly aware of how much you and those around you DON'T know. And if you don't hit that stage, you are in the expert's paradox.
 
Congratulations! Is it a job you want or could see yourself in one day?
Honestly, no - it's a little too close to the elected folks, which holds very little appeal to me. I like supporting operations (which this does, but it's also a pretty politically-involved role).
That being said, I hold my right to change my mind. I know I have good ideas, a square head on my shoulders, and I've come up through the ranks to know and understand what different moves/initiatives would mean for the folks who have to execute on them.
 
Honestly, no - it's a little too close to the elected folks, which holds very little appeal to me. I like supporting operations (which this does, but it's also a pretty politically-involved role).
That being said, I hold my right to change my mind. I know I have good ideas, a square head on my shoulders, and I've come up through the ranks to know and understand what different moves/initiatives would mean for the folks who have to execute on them.
This is huge for someone who holds a non-elected-but-has-the-ear-of-elected-decision-makers role. I'm sure there are a lot of people who are glad that you are the one in that roll rather than someone else (imposter syndrome aside).
 
Exactly. I'm actually excited about that aspect of it. I get a lot of airtime with electeds already, but this definitely legitimizes my input a bit more.
 
Just heard back from the recruiter. Said I did very well and I have a strong comms background, but they were looking for someone with more experience in a certain area. In that area I had certainly done plenty of work but usually in support or partnership with others, but there's no way I couldn't do it on my own, just I've always worked with people where that was their specific role. So what can you do?
Those were your learning opportunities to lead a project with a subject matter expert available to support you during any learning curve.
 
tomorrow morning is prob the biggest interview of my career, with the hiring manager so obvi gotta impress and I know they ask tough Qs (fortunately I have the template).

to add to the pressure, now have a first round with another company tomorrow afternoon (my 6th company during this job search). come on, you assholes, it's time to give me a job.
TAKE IT !
 
Are you no longer with the Portland PD?

And you got this. One of my biggest revelations when I got a promotion like that was that you were there for a reason, and pretty much everyone is just making shit up as they go along and doing the best they can.

FRFR, my revelation was this cycle:

1) I have no idea what I'm doing

a few months

2) It's cool, because no one really knows what they're doing

2 years later

3) I know what I'm doing but Holy Fuck, no one knows what they are doing, time to get out.
I thought you were a man of God?
 
I thought you were a man of God?
I stopped being a pastor several years ago.

And while this post doesn’t pertain to that, if I am honest, some of the most toxic workplaces I was a part of were churches.

If this is in reference to dropping an F bomb, I hate to disappoint you, but I probably uttered a few of those while I was still a pastor anyway.
 
Employed folks of the pit, I need some perspective. I'll try to keep this short and sweet, but it's really hard to fully describe.

For context, I'm a PhD student who opted to exit the constant turnover of teaching and research assistantships and seek the stability of a full-time job while I write my dissertation. In case any of you know me, yes I'm still working on this and also shut up. I was fortunate to land a well-paying job (at least for someone who has never made any real money) as a scientist at the university. I've been there a little under 6 months, 1/3 of which was routine onboarding.

The situation I've found myself in is this:
1) The team needs to produce a new round of deliverables by summer.
2) To do this, they need to use a coding pipeline that was last run in 2021. It has not been maintained since then.
3) The last person in my position is still around but has moved to another team. My supervisor was formerly in my position but never ran this pipeline.
4) Very important: Everything in this organization is bespoke and custom. All the pipelines, models, functions, etc. were built and maintained in-house. All of this code was written by someone in 2017, patched up to keep running by 2-3 people since then, and hasn't been overhauled ever. Google cannot help me.
5) There's a smattering of team-specific materials online but it's sporadic and hasn't been very well maintained. Organizational updates are also documented online but not in a way that's easy to follow. Mostly, people who have been around just "know things" from being there.
6) They hired me, an outsider, to more or less learn the organization, learn the overall process, learn all the details, debug the whole thing, fold in new data, and produce new estimates.
7) No one seems to know how large of a task this is, not least for an outsider.
8) Leadership, looking at the progress I've made and looking at our deadlines, are starting to panic. They ask what resources I need and I don't know what to tell them because my whole thing thus far has been running code, finding an error, tracing it back somewhere, either fixing it or asking about it, and learning that "oh yeah, that thing changed two years ago" or that the problem is a user-written function with a deprecated parameter hard-coded inside. In other words, the resource I need is institutional knowledge, which I'm gaining quite rapidly but only through the process of grinding away at this shit.
9) The only real advice my supervisor has given me is to work harder/faster/longer because our boss really wants to hit these deadlines. He's very anxious.
10) They've warned me to start working overtime now to avoid sleepless nights closer to our deadlines.

My problems:
1) Obviously, I'm not having a great time. It's clear to me that it's their fault their shit is in bad condition and they brought me in with no other instruction but to "fix it" but do it faster somehow. I don't see how it's possible to just make things happen faster.
2) My mental health is important to me and I really don't want to carry their anxiety.
3) I have no time to finish my dissertation or otherwise live the life I want to live.
4) I'm union and technically am contracted to 40-hour workweeks (the employees unionized in 2021 because the org had a terrible reputation due to operating like a tech company even though we're public employees).

Considerations:
1) By now, I'm sort of an expert at this particular thing. At least more so than anyone else not in the org. It would take 6-9 months to get anyone else to this point.
2) They'd be fucked if I quit and I don't want to leave them in a lurch because I'm a decent human being.
3) I'm thinking hard about what I want out of a life and job and while making money is great, I don't want to opt to spend my precious time doing this/feeling this way.

In the evergreen words of David Byrne, "How do I work this?"
 
Oh, and also, my boss is a full professor at the university, the wife of the center's director, and a co-founder of the org. She does national interviews with Trevor Noah and shit. So that's great. Someone it would be nice to have on my side when networking/job hunting.
 
The two questions that come to my mind are:
1. Can you (your boss) get the person who previously supported the pipeline to give some time back to the project to get the pipeline running? Can you ask that person that is still around (or their supervisor) if they can return to provide some short term support?
2. Can you rebuild (or use a COTS product) instead of trying to fix this existing pipeline?
 
That’s a tough situation. Here are three actions that could possibly help (in reverse order of helpfulness):

Get your supervisors to set up a meeting with the folks who developed the pipelines, models, etc so you can ask them directly.

Hire a student with skills who someone else could onboard who could help with annoying minor tasks.

Figure out some AI digital twin type stuff to maximize your output and efficiency.
 
The two questions that come to my mind are:
1. Can you (your boss) get the person who previously supported the pipeline to give some time back to the project to get the pipeline running? Can you ask that person that is still around (or their supervisor) if they can return to provide some short term support?
2. Can you rebuild (or use a COTS product) instead of trying to fix this existing pipeline?
1. Yes, that's the break-glass-in-emergency solution we may have to pivot to next week. My supervisor has already been pulled onto what was meant to be my next task (a different pipeline) and estimates it'll take him a few weeks to get it up to date, himself. I've been trying to tell them, in honest and calm terms, that I think this is a bigger issue than they knew and especially challenging for an outsider to deal with. I've eagerly offered to task-swap and take on less specialized things like helping with manuscripts to free up time for those with institutional knowledge to help meet this deadline. It's challenging to convince them that the problem is that they neglected their shit and that I'm not just a dumb bastard who doesn't want to work hard enough.

2. The long-term goal is for me to rebuilt these things from the ground up to be better documented and more robust. I can't count the number of times I've seen something notated with "The previous function caused this problem" followed by some uncommented roundabout patch that's been there for four years or a central change that, if fixed at the source would break the next 200 lines of code. So, I end up having to just replace values right before a validation step. I get the feeling that's been happening since this was written.
 
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