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Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: Commander will kill us all

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-is-leading-democrats-to-defeat-in-2020

To be sure, New York Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is too young to launch her own bid for the White House. Nevertheless, the freshman congresswoman controls an entire primary pack of candidates too craven and opportunistic to offer any ideas themselves.

What major piece of legislation has Cory Booker, D-N.J., ever sponsored? What precisely constitutes the political legacy of Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y.? The presidential aspirants have played it safe their entire careers. This cautious strategy has served them well – so well that now they hope to follow a first-term radical all the way to the Oval Office.
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Then the 2020 candidates will face an unpleasant choice: reverse course, thereby revealing themselves as the empty-suited opportunists that they are, or else persist in following an ignorant 20-something bartender down the path to electoral ruin. Leadership entails difficult decisions. The Democrats who would lead the free world will soon regret not making those decisions sooner.
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Conservatives would have you believe that Al Capone's lawyer was the evil mastermind behind all of his activites to protect Capone and that Capone was just an innocent bystander.
 
What specifically did he lie about on Wednesday?

Your argument that his statements on Wednesday were different than statements that he got busted for is pretty nuts.
 
PhDeac said:
Cohen said he was offered jobs and decided not to take them because he would lose attorney-client privilege.

And a book from when he admitted he was lying wouldn't prove he lied on Wednesday.

That's just desperate, sailor.
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Other than being a liar, Cohen's greatest strength is his determination to preserve attorney-client privilege. You can rely on it.
 
Yeah must be tough to bring down a mob with everyone having committed crimes and therefore nobody is ever credible to testify or provide evidence.
 
sailordeac said:
No, he's a liar, and he is your star witness, and so you are desperate. But don't worry, the socialist wing of the donkey party will soon take it over the cliff, and then we can all groove on the rubble.
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Little Boners elected a lying liar to the oval office and then get mad when his lawyer lies on his behalf. Silly Little Boners!
 
Booker putting forward a federal marijuana legalization bill has me intrigued. We should have Presidential primaries every year stuff like this gets out there.
 
I missed this one earlier:

"Nevertheless, the freshman congresswoman controls an entire primary pack of candidates too craven and opportunistic to offer any ideas themselves."

Read this and try to tell me Fox News isn't hyperventilating about AOC. How on earth does a woman nobody had heard of 9 months ago "control" a "pack" of presidential candidates?
 
HuskyDeac said:
You linked Bill Gates being ok with much of AOC's progressive ideas (including companies not pitting states against one another for subsidies!), with the one difference of opinion between the two being how to best tax the wealthy. AOC hasn't come up with any formal proposal as far as I know apart from suggesting a higher top marginal tax rate, something that plenty of other economists have suggested. Piketty, who Gates mentioned, has suggested 80% perhaps being the optimal rate in wealthy nations. I'm not an expert on finance or economy by any means, but I've read plenty of support for both higher marginal tax rate and higher inheritance tax, so it seems a bit harsh to call her dumb because of it.
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You didn't understand Gates. He said that:

1. He agreed generally that there should be a more progressive tax code that more aggressively taxed the super rich/1% etc., but that upping marginal tax rate to 70% is a dumb idea, that it was tried before and that it didn't work.

2. That Modern Monetary Theory as a whole is very dangerous and wrong. You can't ignore deficits. Gates and Chairman Powell have both recently pointed out that glaring fallacy.

The video of AOC's own words posted a few pages back --- paraphrased --- "So what if my ideas don't work in real life, I'm at least trying11!!" ----

My point is that isn't good enough. Do a little bit of research, educate yourself on these issues if you want to fight for them.

You have Gates who is pretty far left with a lot of his ideas, and Chairman Powell who served under Bush and now Trump, both saying that some of the core tenets of Modern Monetary Theory are dangerous and would wreck the US Economy.

So yeah, neither you or her are an expert; as it turns out, it's not enough just to read the internet.
 
PhDeac said:
I missed this one earlier:

"Nevertheless, the freshman congresswoman controls an entire primary pack of candidates too craven and opportunistic to offer any ideas themselves."

Read this and try to tell me Fox News isn't hyperventilating about AOC. How on earth does a woman nobody had heard of 9 months ago "control" a "pack" of presidential candidates?
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watch the donkey candidates

Last November, Ocasio-Cortez cooked her dinner live on Instagram. Within weeks Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., Kamala Harris, D-Calif., Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, and Beto O’Rourke, D-Texas, followed suit and opened their kitchens to the masses. A couple of months ago, a video emerged of Ocasio-Cortez dancing on a rooftop in college. As soon as the mainstream media covered the clip, Harris tweeted her own video shimmying back and forth in a chair. “I’m for *more* dancing in politics,” she beamed. Harris may dance, but Ocasio-Cortez calls the tune.

The nearest to a leader among the presidential aspirants is the 77-year-old socialist Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., to whom progress means nothing more than rehashing the failed economic policies of the 1930s. Insomuch as he successfully pushed the Democratic Party toward the radical left in 2016, Sanders has accomplished more than his competitors. Still, three years later, even Bernie follows AOC’s lead on selling socialism to the people.
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Ocasio-Cortez’s thrall over the 2020 race extends beyond style to specific matters of public policy. As she tells it, just a dozen years remain before air pollution extinguishes life on earth. To forestall Armageddon, we must pass the freshman congresswoman’s radical “Green New Deal.” This eco-socialist overhaul would outlaw planes, trains, automobiles, private health insurance, and 88 percent of the American energy industry before demolishing and rebuilding every edifice in the country, sticking the U.S. taxpayer with a $40 trillion tab. Nevertheless, as if in lockstep, Senators Gillibrand, Harris, Sanders, Warren, and Booker all signed up to co-sponsor the plan.
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TheTwinAndreBen said:
You didn't understand Gates. He said that:

1. He agreed generally that there should be a more progressive tax code that more aggressively taxed the super rich/1% etc., but that upping marginal tax rate to 70% is a dumb idea, that it was tried before and that it didn't work.

2. That Modern Monetary Theory as a whole is very dangerous and wrong. You can't ignore deficits. Gates and Chairman Powell have both recently pointed out that glaring fallacy.

The video of AOC's own words posted a few pages back --- paraphrased --- "So what if my ideas don't work in real life, I'm at least trying11!!" ----

My point is that isn't good enough. Do a little bit of research, educate yourself on these issues if you want to fight for them.

You have Gates who is pretty far left with a lot of his ideas, and Chairman Powell who served under Bush and now Trump, both saying that some of the core tenets of Modern Monetary Theory are dangerous and would wreck the US Economy.

So yeah, neither you or her are an expert; as it turns out, it's not enough just to read the internet.
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This billionaire said high tax rates are dangerous. Everyone who doesn’t listen to him is dumb.
 
It is really funny to me to see GOPers asserting that AOC is dumb and doesn't know what she is talking about. Meanwhile, this is the GOP president.

 
That's being really mean to sixth graders across the country. They can do better.
 
I had coffee with a PhD student the other day to talk about MMT. He seemed pretty smart to me but what do I know. AOC majored in economics. That doesn’t mean she has to know everything about corporate taxation. It could mean she studied more heterodox economics. Just say you disagree with her, or substantively critique MMT, rather than be a misogynist asshole.
 
It is rather amazing that the GOP is basing their attacks on Cohen that he's liar and thus has no character, no credibilty, and his testimony can't be trusted. Meanwhile, the person they're defending from Cohen's attacks is a chronic liar, has no character, ethics, or morals, and his credibility is a joke.
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
Booker putting forward a federal marijuana legalization bill has me intrigued. We should have Presidential primaries every year stuff like this gets out there.
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I have little hope that congress will do much on health care and immigration in the near future. But the 2 issues where I do have some hope for meaningful legislation in the next few to several years is legalizing and taxing the shite out of pot and criminal justice reform. I mean not while Trump is president. But with a Dem president, Pub senate and Dem house. An ever growing majority of Americans support pot legalization now, and there are a number of conservatives who seem legitimately interested in criminal justice reform.
 
MHBDemon said:
This billionaire said high tax rates are dangerous. Everyone who doesn’t listen to him is dumb.
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Jeebus, No, just you are dumb. He didn't say high tax rates are dangerous. He said that if you raise the highest bracket of income tax to 70%, you won't capture any more revenue, which is the goal of raising the rate. He then said you would have to re-engineer the capital gains tax or create a blanket wealth tax, and then he mentioned two books by economist that proffered those ideas as a way of capturing more money from the 1%.

MMT basically states (and this is vastly oversimplified for my audience here) that it doesnt matter what you spend if you can print your own money. Meaning that the budget deficit doesnt matter.

What Gates did say was dangerous, and what the Fed Chairman echoed this week, was that increasing government spending (say for the new green deal) while ignoring revenues, or inflation, would create severe volatility in the US economy. AOC and other socialist leaning Dems like to spout MMT without really knowing how it would work because it gives them an economic theory which would allow for a blank govt check to be written for the Green Deal, Free College, etc.

If you can't even understand a 4 minute video, just stay quiet.
 
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