Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: Commander will kill us all

[TownieDeac]

thousands of children would have suffered even more

Stripping away all the nonsense, you think the bill helped kids?

 

[RJKarl]

It helped a little. A little is better than harming which passing nothing would have done.

 

[JamesSokolove]

WAAAAAAAAAH -millennials favorite word

 

[TownieDeac]

Disagree. Plus Omar already nailed it.

“Throwing more money at the very organizations committing human rights abuses—and the very Administration directing these human rights abuses—is not a solution," she said. "This is a humanitarian crisis—a humanitarian crisis inflicted by our own leadership. It's also a refugee crisis fueled by state violence, corruption, and impunity in the Northern Triangle--one that this Administration has only fueled through mass deportation and slashing aid."

And we're gonna get more mass deportations this week regardless.

 

[Gooner]

For the Gen X and slightly older posters from non-Boomer generations, do you remember the generations older than Boomers being so terrified of boomers that they tried to sabotage them and keep them from gaining power? This seems like a fairly unique phenomenon. Boomers raised us telling us that we could be anything we wanted and yet when we try, they seem to put their hands on our heads and say, “whoa there skippy, go back to your avocado toast, we’re still in charge”

 

[RJKarl]

Disagree. Plus Omar already nailed it.

“Throwing more money at the very organizations committing human rights abuses—and the very Administration directing these human rights abuses—is not a solution," she said. "This is a humanitarian crisis—a humanitarian crisis inflicted by our own leadership. It's also a refugee crisis fueled by state violence, corruption, and impunity in the Northern Triangle--one that this Administration has only fueled through mass deportation and slashing aid."

And we're gonna get more mass deportations this week regardless.

And not doing anything would have made matters worse. There would have been less food, less toiletries and more repression.

Not doing the deal may have made the mass deportations even worse. We've seen how Trump reacts.

She's flat out wrong.

 

[RJKarl]

For the Gen X and slightly older posters from non-Boomer generations, do you remember the generations older than Boomers being so terrified of boomers that they tried to sabotage them and keep them from gaining power? This seems like a fairly unique phenomenon. Boomers raised us telling us that we could be anything we wanted and yet when we try, they seem to put their hands on our heads and say, “whoa there skippy, go back to your avocado toast, we’re still in charge”

The "Greatest Generation" threw many of our asses in jail for trying to change the world. You guys are getting off easy. It's hilarious that you think your actions are new or different.

You don't pay much attention. We've had our time. If you read what I have said, rather that I have said it, you would understand my biggest problem is that your generation doesn't take enough chances. This is so in everything from actually voting to music to starting businesses to all sorts of other things. You worry too much about not succeeding immediately. In life, as in basketball, the only shot you are guaranteed to miss is the one you don't take. You guys don't take enough shots.

We just wish you would put together actual plans not bumper stickers.

Many (maybe most) of us want to morph into universal healthcare, but we understand you can't change 1/5 or 1/6 of the entire US economy overnight. Not youngins, you want it now and if you can't have it you cry. Before you bitch about this, you should look around and see I've been the longest and loudest poster about moving towards eliminating private insurance companies delivering anything other than purely choice health services.

 

[Gooner]

RJ, while that all may well and good, clearly you did not read the prompt at the beginning of my post explaining that boomers were not the target of my question.

 

[JuiceCrewAllStar]

how many times have you been to jail, rj?

 

[TownieDeac]

And not doing anything would have made matters worse. There would have been less food, less toiletries and more repression.

Not doing the deal may have made the mass deportations even worse. We've seen how Trump reacts.

She's flat out wrong.

 

[Gooner]

Also it’s hilarious that RJ thinks I am making a definitive assertion and calling me ignorant and not paying attention when I am literally asking a question and admitting that I don’t know the answer.

 

[mako1331]

I love avocado, but for real, what am I missing with the whole avocado toast thing. It’s pretty meh.

 

[RJKarl]

Except us older guys like Mayor Pete and Kamala Harris.

Does anyone give up power without a fight? It's there for you to take. Go for it. Don't wimp out.

But be prepared for taking the power. Have rational plans in place. Eight years ago, ACA had about a 30% approval rating. It's now over 50% and growing. People now like the idea of a public option (which is the next step to universal).

It can't be all or nothing.

Regardless of the whiners, we've done our part. Take the power from us like we did from our parents and grandparents.

 

[TownieDeac]

Except us older guys like Mayor Pete and Kamala Harris.

Does anyone give up power without a fight? It's there for you to take. Go for it. Don't wimp out.

But be prepared for taking the power. Have rational plans in place. Eight years ago, ACA had about a 30% approval rating. It's now over 50% and growing. People now like the idea of a public option (which is the next step to universal).

It can't be all or nothing.

Regardless of the whiners, we've done our part. Take the power from us like we did from our parents and grandparents.

Posts this. Complains about AOC doing exactly the above. K.

 

[avalon]

AOC Is Making Monetary Policy Cool (and Political) Again

This exchange may sound dull and technical. But the congresswoman’s point has real human stakes. America’s central bank has a dual mandate: to promote full employment and price stability. How the Fed chooses to balance those two objectives has redistributive implications. The wealthy have far more to lose from inflation than they do from modest levels of unemployment. In fact, many business owners may actually prefer for the U.S. economy not to achieve full employment, since workers tend to be less demanding when jobs are scarce. By contrast, the most vulnerable workers in the U.S. — such as those with criminal records or little experience — will struggle to get a foothold in the labor market unless policy makers err on the side of letting unemployment fall “too low.”

And this is what AOC’s questions are implicitly about. If the Federal Reserve believes that the U.S. economy cannot sustain unemployment below 5 percent without suffering high inflation, then it will raise interest rates to cool off investment, thereby preventing too many workers from getting jobs. Ocasio-Cortez’s implication is that, by raising interest rates out of a fear of illusory inflation, the Fed may have needlessly hurt American workers. Powell’s concession on that point is significant, and suggests that the central bank will be less inclined to err on the side of hurting the vulnerable in the future.

Rashida Tlaib asked an equally probing question. The Michigan congresswoman noted that during the financial crisis, the Fed had intervened in the commercial paper market to assist corporations. She then asked if the central bank would consider doing a similar favor for state and municipal governments in a future recession.

 

[RJKarl]

Posts this. Complains about AOC doing exactly the above. K.

I complained about her calling Pelosi a racist. I complained about her not having any ability to understand that it is a process.

She needs to grow and learn. She's nowhere near ready for prime time. She's causing unnecessary problems for the people who would help her.

 

[DG3]

I love avocado, but for real, what am I missing with the whole avocado toast thing. It’s pretty meh.

I used to think the same thing. I use spicy guacamole. Game changer.

 

[PhDeac]

Good on AOC and Talib. The sooner people realize economists are largely full of shit, the better. The economy isn't just a few levers and buttons. It's also not some video game or an algorithm. They believe an "invisible hand" plays a bigger role than people's individual needs, desires, and behaviors.

I used to think the same thing. I use spicy guacamole. Game changer.

How does toast complement guacamole better than tortilla chips?

 

[Shooshmoo]

I love avocado, but for real, what am I missing with the whole avocado toast thing. It’s pretty meh.

Are you putting some pepper and garlic salt in there, a fried egg on top, and shredded parmesan-reggiano as the coup de grace?

 

[Milhouse]

For the Gen X and slightly older posters from non-Boomer generations, do you remember the generations older than Boomers being so terrified of boomers that they tried to sabotage them and keep them from gaining power? This seems like a fairly unique phenomenon. Boomers raised us telling us that we could be anything we wanted and yet when we try, they seem to put their hands on our heads and say, “whoa there skippy, go back to your avocado toast, we’re still in charge”

no. boomers are unique.