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Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: Commander will kill us all

myDeaconmyhand said:
you're right. Bernie lost. Twice. He still performed worlds better than Warren did, or could. All the high minded newspaper opinion pieces in the world can't float a compromise candidacy. People want what they want and they don't settle, no matter how condescendingly they are told they should.
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Bernie was never the "default candidate."

Biden was.
 
If you don't vote, you don't get what you want.

Did you ever think of why older black people vote in such huge numbers? Someone they knew was beaten up or killed or jailed to get the right to vote. The right to stay at a hotel. The right to eat a lunch counter. Hell, even to get into a fraternity at Wake. They understand the price that was paid and respect it.

It's why if the Dems have ANY brains, they will go balls to the walls in minority communities getting out the vote of all ages saying the GOP is enacting laws to take their vote away.

Young people feel no value in voting until what they want is taken from them.

In basketball, a great offense will always beat a great defense due to the rules. The same is true in politics. If you take the offensive and vote, you will change the outcome.
 
RJKarl said:
Did you ever think of why older black people vote in such huge numbers? Someone they knew was beaten up or killed or jailed to get the right to vote. The right to stay at a hotel. The right to eat a lunch counter. Hell, even to get into a fraternity at Wake. They understand the price that was paid and respect it.

It's why if the Dems have ANY brains, they will go balls to the walls in minority communities getting out the vote of all ages saying the GOP is enacting laws to take their vote away.
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The juxtaposition of RJs views of the radical movements of the 60s with his views on today’s radical movements is really something.
 
MHB, you don't know what you are taking about. We brought in people with all sorts of views, listened to them and respected them. That's why our groups grew and grew strong. You dismiss, dissuade and insult anyone who doesn't kiss your ass.

You are every bit as dictatorial as the RW.

The sad part is with technology and the evils that are happening, you could be a massive movement that accomplishes a lot. You demand purity. That's self-defeating.
 
The Dems are becoming the party of the 30-year old rape allegation that was just remembered and it's not a good look.
 
The truth hurts RJ.

The Democratic Party treats all poors with the same disdain, regardless of color. African Americans are disproportionally poor.

It is basically the same playbook used by the Republican Party to court poor whites. A less hateful and racist one, but the end game is the same.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
You had a perfect openly gay millennial candidate running to be the POTUS, but leftists refused to vote for him because he worked in the private sector one time after serving his country in combat.

Now we have to justify why Biden finger raping a staffer isn't that bad.

Thanks millennial's.
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You had like five insanely qualified women candidates running to be the POTUS, but Democrats in general couldn't find it within their feminist-claiming souls to support any of them.

Liberal conceptions of identity politics are honestly the fucking worst.
 
BillBrasky said:
The truth hurts RJ.

The Democratic Party treats all poors with the same disdain, regardless of color. African Americans are disproportionally poor.

It is basically the same playbook used by the Republican Party to court poor whites. A less hateful and racist one, but the end game is the same.
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This is pure ignorance. Sounds like you are becoming your mom politically.
 
TownieDeac said:
The biggest headwind the young (let's call it under 40) left faces is its own cohort's apathy. Millennials don't vote as well as other cohorts, whether because they're jaded and don't care or because they're less well off than previous generations (first generation in American history) or too self-involved, whatever the cause, that's the biggest headwind.

Second biggest is Boomer/Xers who have finally earned their seats at the table reluctant to give it up to either idealists or those unwilling to work within the system they've designed.

That's a fatal combination for getting anything done.
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Gen X has been fine, IMO. There are still so few Gen X politicians in positions of power and positions of institutional influence that I find it hard to hate on Gen X too much.

Boomers are just opportunity hoarding at a world historical level right now due to sheer demographics (e.g., cohort size), increased life expectancy, and the somewhat recent shift towards older retirement ages.
 
MHBDemon said:
The juxtaposition of RJs views of the radical movements of the 60s with his views on today’s radical movements is really something.
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Nevermind the fact that RJ was pretty far from Kent, Ohio at the time of the Kent State massacre that he's so fond of bringing up (given what he's told us about his biography), definitely not a member of the Black Panther Party, and appeared to spend most of his college career smoking and selling marijuana.

Some unsolicited advice from a politically-involved millennial: if you're going to hate on people doing shit, then you might want to have actually done shit outside of marched a few times and given unsolicited advice to politicians.
 
RJKarl said:
This is pure ignorance. Sounds like you are becoming your mom politically.
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Since 1992 the Democratic Party has been in the WH for 16 years. Please list the legislation that has been passed during that time that helped to improve the quality of life for poor African-Americans.

I'll start:

1. The ACA, which in reality is a shell of what it could have been. Its viability is very much in question. Obama blew that one big time. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the money he took from lobbyists in the buildup to the 2008 election.

Your turn, go...
 
Saying that the MeToo movement is in some respects an over-correction against a history of unchecked/unlitigated sexual harrasment/assault is not saying it should be dismantled. It's totally understandable how/why it happened. The scales were tipped in the other directtion for so long and so severly. The MeToo movement does not have to, and should not, go away. But we can take a step back from "believe all accusers" to something more like "all accusers should be heard and we should evaluate claims on a case-by-case basis." If somebody accused any of us of rape, would you think it's fair for people to believe your accuser as a default position with no regard for the evidence, or would you think it more fair for people to weigh all the facts surrounding the accusation? False accusations of rape may very well be less common than truthful accusations, but has anyone figured out a better system of justice (formal or informal) than one based on a presumption of innocence?

Developing a culture where we protect and do not shame sexual assault survivors does not mean we have to have a system or a culture where we ignore the facts of each complaint. The left has lost sight of this, and it is why republicans, albeit without the moral highground or genuine interest in finding solutions for this problem, have rightly pointed out the hypocrisy of some on the left.
 
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BillBrasky said:
Since 1992 the Democratic Party has been in the WH for 16 years. Please list the legislation that has been passed during that time that helped to improve the quality of life for poor African-Americans.

I'll start:

1. The ACA, which in reality is a shell of what it could have been. Its viability is very much in question. Obama blew that one big time. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the money he took from lobbyists in the buildup to the 2008 election.

Your turn, go...
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Honestly, beyond the ACA, the answer is probably nominating Breyer, Ginsberg, Kagan, and Sotomayor to the Supreme Court

Otherwise, what a list!

Clinton's crime bill.

Clinton's welfare reform.

Clinton's enterprise/empowerment zones hastened inner-city gentrification and subsequent displacement

Obama's Great Recession bailout could have mitigated the impact of the foreclosure crisis on black homeowners facing foreclosure and HAMP/HARP are pretty universally seen as astounding failures.
 
RJKarl said:
Saying the ACA is a shell of what it could is to be ignorant of the politics of the day.

During Obama:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...merican-community-during-obama-administration

All of that happened with six years of the largest obstruction in Senate history. McConnell stopped more bills each year than had ever been stopped in any other year.
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What in particular, RJ?

Brasky and I have already submitted two big ones: 1) the ACA and 2) building out the liberal wing of the Supreme Court.

Can you do #3?
 
RJKarl said:
Saying the ACA is a shell of what it could is to be ignorant of the politics of the day.

During Obama:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...merican-community-during-obama-administration

All of that happened with six years of the largest obstruction in Senate history. McConnell stopped more bills each year than had ever been stopped in any other year.
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Dude the Democratic Party could have passed any HC bill it wanted in 2009. They controlled both houses and the presidency. And they passed the flaccid ACA.

As to your link, I see increased HBCU funding (which is good), tax credit extensions, judges, and the ACA. That's it.
 
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