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Ongoing US GOP Debacle Thread: Seditious Republicans march toward authoritarianism

myDeaconmyhand said:
Conservatives like: Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden, Joe Manchin, Sherrod Brown, Ben Cardin, Kirsten Gillibrand, Steny Hoyer, Ted Lieu, Adam Schiff, Andrew Cuomo...
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That’s how good a job conservatives have done. Democrats just accept Republican narratives and don’t realize how damaging they are.
 
Definitely.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Conservatives like: Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden, Joe Manchin, Sherrod Brown, Ben Cardin, Kirsten Gillibrand, Steny Hoyer, Ted Lieu, Adam Schiff, Andrew Cuomo...
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Conservatives definitely don't like Schiff, Gillibrand or Brown at all.
 
PhDeac said:
That’s how good a job conservatives have done. Democrats just accept Republican narratives and don’t realize how damaging they are.
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Conservative centrist Dems get a shit load of money from AIPAC - it's their NRA, it's not a Republican narrative, it's money. Imagine how many people around the world have died as a consequence of American politicians, Democrats, selling out to fund their campaigns?

https://www-vox-com.cdn.ampproject..../senate-yemen-saudi-arabia-sanders-lee-murphy
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
1) Please explain how any Tunnels poster (literally anyone, I'm being serious) is delusional and/or has fringe beliefs. I'll make it slightly harder and disallow Lectro, sailor, moonz, GrabsTurdsBare, Angus, and whoever that poster who has negative 1000 rep from your analysis.

2) Define our echo chamber. Who in here is merely parroting talking points from partisan media outlets? What talking points are being reinforced? I feel like even among the sane posters on the Tunnels, there is a pretty wide variety of opinions and disagreements, even just between the very liberal section.

3) No, I do not ever get tired of jerking off.
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1. I don’t know dude. I have a pretty busy work life and I genuinely don’t have time to get to know all these usernames well enough to tell you that. Also I can’t figure out how to work TapATalk so the body of my text keeps disappearing behind my keyboard so now I’m blind and I need to post again.
 
2. What I mean is you might be somewhat diverse in that you have minute differences in how left wing you are, but you’re all reallllly far left. I grew up in that environment, it’s not like I think you’re all cRaZy LiBtArDs but I do think it’s not productive to constantly surround yourself with people that only affirm your opinions. Some of the smartest people I’ve ever known have been incredibly narrow minded because they put themselves in similar situations and allowed themselves to become increasingly polarized to the point where they genuinely believed the evil GOP were a collection of people who were morally inferior to them and less than them as people. When you just sit here bouncing back and forth about how crazy the GOP is with the internal justification that Trump=Unprecedented therefore it’s okay to cross the line into universally condemning everything republican you put yourself into an intellectual box that restricts free thought. I’m almost 100% sure that we. Would agree on many issues. I’m not super far right, and I grew up left wing. My fucking text disappeared and I can’t see anything again...
 
Fringe, insane, far left things I think are being increasingly seen as “common sense” by the left:
Believe all women
Socialism is good
Transgenderism isn’t a mental illness
Free speech isn’t ideal, the European model of civility and decency over liberty and freedom is ideal
“Hate speech” should be regulated
Harassing public officials in public spaces is okay and necessary
Etc.

I used to be able to pretty easily find common ground with my friends on the left, but it genuinely seems to me, and of course I’m biased, that the left is becoming increasingly fringe as a reaction to Trump.

(I didn’t vote for Trump)
 
I get regularly lumped in with the lefty lube libtards by some of our nuttier RWers hereabouts.

Mainly because I recognized the selfish and destructive power mongering and inanity that took over my Republican party over time.

I, naturally, feel the party has become essentially a force for evil, or at least very bad governance. To be honest, it’s hard for me to not think that ordinary folks still supporting the Republican Party are either ignorant (this includes lacking good information and/or just being dumb) OR willfully indecent.

Now, since it is my lifelong party, I’m quite familiar with the RW media. I’m more steeped in that than the LW stuff. And I’m aware there are decent and well intentioned folks still supporting Trump and the Republican Party. I do think they are generally poorly informed, confused, and wrong headed, even if quite passionate and intentionally patriotic.

Anyhow, I’m not registered as a member of any party. But voting almost exclusively for Democrats. I find their basic ideals (some of which i quickly outlined on another thread) to be far more sensible these days.

I think the young socialists are well intentioned but also misguided. And it’s easy for me to understand how they are rising considering what a stupid nation we persist in being.
 
ConnorEl said:
I get regularly lumped in with the lefty lube libtards by some of our nuttier RWers hereabouts.

Mainly because I recognized the selfish and destructive power mongering and inanity that took over my Republican party over time.

I, naturally, feel the party has become essentially a force for evil, or at least very bad governance. To be honest, it’s hard for me to not think that ordinary folks still supporting the Republican Party are either ignorant (this includes lacking good information and/or just being dumb) OR willfully indecent.

Now, since it is my lifelong party, I’m quite familiar with the RW media. I’m more steeped in that than the LW stuff. And I’m aware there are decent and well intentioned folks still supporting Trump and the Republican Party. I do think they are generally poorly informed, confused, and wrong headed, even if quite passionate and intentionally patriotic.

Anyhow, I’m not registered as a member of any party. But voting almost exclusively for Democrats. I find their basic ideals (some of which i quickly outlined on another thread) to be far more sensible these days.

I think the young socialists are well intentioned but also misguided. And it’s easy for me to understand how they are rising considering what a stupid nation we persist in being.
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As someone who’s followed roughly the same political evolution, I 100% agree with this.
 
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Berlin street brawl between Nazi brownshirts and Socialists circa early 1930s.
 
I was not expecting a response at all, let alone one that was calm and relatively well-reasoned.

Thank you, Locker.
 
ConnorEl said:
I get regularly lumped in with the lefty lube libtards by some of our nuttier RWers hereabouts.

Mainly because I recognized the selfish and destructive power mongering and inanity that took over my Republican party over time.

I, naturally, feel the party has become essentially a force for evil, or at least very bad governance. To be honest, it’s hard for me to not think that ordinary folks still supporting the Republican Party are either ignorant (this includes lacking good information and/or just being dumb) OR willfully indecent.

Now, since it is my lifelong party, I’m quite familiar with the RW media. I’m more steeped in that than the LW stuff. And I’m aware there are decent and well intentioned folks still supporting Trump and the Republican Party. I do think they are generally poorly informed, confused, and wrong headed, even if quite passionate and intentionally patriotic.

Anyhow, I’m not registered as a member of any party. But voting almost exclusively for Democrats. I find their basic ideals (some of which i quickly outlined on another thread) to be far more sensible these days.

I think the young socialists are well intentioned but also misguided. And it’s easy for me to understand how they are rising considering what a stupid nation we persist in being.
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Good post, and I agree with the great majority of it. I'd also be interested in seeing what TurtLocker's definition of "socialism" is. In my experience, a great many conservatives consistently confuse socialism with regulated capitalism, which has been a goal of American liberals since at least the Progressive Era, and was espoused to various extents by both Roosevelts, Truman, both Kennedys, and even Eisenhower in some respects. Theodore Roosevelt's Square Deal, Wilson's New Freedom, FDR's New Deal, Truman's Fair Deal, and LBJ's Great Society were not socialist programs, but rather attempts to reign in laissez-faire capitalism and mitigate many of its negative effects.
 
Newenglanddeac said:
How to Avoid America’s Coming Years of Lead

https://observer.com/2017/08/russia-america-charlottesville-far-left/
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Good lord what a shit article:

"Although America suffered from a wave of far-left terrorism in the late 1960s and early 1970s, mainly by black nationalists and radicalized white college students, Hoover’s FBI and its dirty tricks prevented this from becoming a bona fide terrorism wave."

What a pile of bootlicking garbage. Was it just a "dirty trick" to shoot Fred Hampton to death in his own bed?
 
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ConnorEl said:
I get regularly lumped in with the lefty lube libtards by some of our nuttier RWers hereabouts...
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Well perhaps I can change your perspective, because I have some very close left wing friends and I feel like after having real discussion with genuine mutual respect built over years of friendship we simply have key differences in the way we view the world. It’s really hard to see that, especially in today’s political climate, because it’s easy to lump people into categories and associate them with the worst of those categories. Lord knows I’m guilty of this, I’m regularly exposed to articles about the most insane fringe left wing shit and it’s hard not to think “wow, all Democrats are crazy.” I mean I certainly watch Fox News and laugh at how ridiculous it is at times, but by the same token I just saw a CNN anchor text Ray J for comment on Kanye visiting the White House. It’s so easy to see that kind of shit and just say well, whatever, I guess I’m a crazy Republican because I can’t abide by this level of crazy. I agree most of the socialist types probably mean well, but when I hear people saying things like “cancel capitalism” it makes me genuinely afraid for the future of our country. I’m happy to have conversations with those who propose well regulated capitalism, and debate the level of regulation that’s appropriate, but when I see people who think we just need to throw it out the window it makes me wonder if people are even entertaining reason.
 
Conservative authoritarians make me sick. With or against Trump, those politics are still trash.
 
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And yes, I realize the definition of socialism is a point where this whole discussion gets muddled. In my view “socialism” means government taking hold of the means of production, or that being the end goal. I understand progressive policy is generally aimed at the regulation of the free market, and I of course agree that is necessary to some extent, but when people start moving away from calling themselves simply democrats and instead socialists it makes me wonder what the definition means to them, because when we start using a term that’s historically used to describe a system of government that I think we can all agree is not a good one, I find it really concerning, especially with the amount of anti-capitalist rhetoric floating around with the young high passion low knowledge crowd. I think there’s a lot of misunderstanding about how the Nordic countries gained the prosperity they have now, and a lot of misconceptions given those countries are extremely capitalistic in an economic sense. I think this discussion is moving away from “to what degree do we regulate this system” into “why don’t we just burn it down and start fresh” which is what I think is crazy. I feel a lot of young people have no conception of how incredibly lucky they are to live in this country.
 
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