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President Trump is building a new Republican Party

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tries-to-build-a-different-party-1485478386

Democrats would be well-advised to read what Peggy Noonan is saying (as would Republicans).

"The significance and velocity of the orders unnerved and upset Mr. Trump’s critics and took aback some of his friends. But those orders—even though their use makes the presidency more imperial, even though it’s no way to govern, even though Mr. Obama did it, too—will likely not be unpopular in the country. It actually looked as if someone was doing something."

"Because I live in New York and work at the Journal, I see and talk to American CEOs. I’ve never heard them bang on about a need to boost American jobs and manufacturing, ever. They usually talk about targeted microloans in India, and robots.

More important still—the most important moment of the first week—was the meeting with union leaders. Mr. Trump gave them almost an hour and a half. “The president treated us with respect, not only our organization but our members,” said Terry O’Sullivan, general president of the Laborers’ International Union of North America, by telephone.
Liuna had not endorsed Trump in the campaign, but Mr. O’Sullivan saw the meeting’s timing as an expression of respect: “He’s inaugurated on Friday and we’re invited in Monday to have a substantial conversation.” The entire Trump top staff was there, including the vice president: “His whole team—we were very impressed.” They talked infrastructure, trade and energy. “The whole meeting was about middle class jobs, how do we create more?”

"The lengthy, public and early meeting with the union leaders was, among other things, first-class, primo political pocket-picking. The Trump White House was showing the Democratic Party that one of its traditional constituent groups is up for grabs and happy to do business with a new friend. It was also telling those Republicans too stupid to twig onto it yet that the GOP is going to be something it’s actually been within living memory: the party of working men and women, a friend of those who feel besieged."

"It’s a mistake for observers in Washington and New York to fixate on Mr. Trump’s daily faux pas at the expense of the political meaning of what he’s doing. He’s changing the face of the GOP. It is a mistake, too, to see Mr. Trump’s tweet on how Chicago had better solve its problem with violent crime or he’ll “send in the Feds,” as merely stupid—just a tweet that raises the question “What does ‘send in the Feds’ mean?” If you’re a parent in a tough Chicago neighborhood, you’d be heartened to think the feds might help. You’d be happy the president noticed. You’d say, “Go, Trump!”

All week I thought of one of the best pieces on the meaning of Trumpism, from last May, by Joshua Green in Bloomberg Businessweek. Mr. Trump suggested to Mr. Green his stands were not as ad hoc and ideologically jumbled as they seemed, that they were in fact intentional. He was creating “a worker’s party,” a “party of people that haven’t had a real wage increase in 18 years.” “Five, 10 years from now—different party,” he said of the GOP.
He’s trying to make it look different right now. Many Americans, and not only Trump supporters, will like this.

And here is the important political point: Democrats don’t have a playbook for this. They have a playbook to use against normal Republicans: You’re cold, greedy, racist, sexist elitists who hate the little guy.

They don’t have a playbook to use against a political figure like Mr. Trump yet, because he jumbles all the categories.
Democrats will wobble around, see what works. For now they’ll stick with saying he’s scary, unstable, right-wing.

It’s going to take them a while to develop a playbook against an independent populist, some of whose advisers hate Republicans more than they do."
 
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Except there is no evidence of Donald Trump ever supporting the "little guy". To the contrary, there are thousands of lawsuits against Trump for screwing tons of "little guys". In Vegas, he paid his employees 20% less than other properties do. He's refused to US American steel in his properties, because it costs more. Standard operating procedures at Trump properties is to steal tips and caused a class action suit against Trump which he lost.

Any "little guy" who thinks Trump has, had or ever will have cared about the "little guy" is delusional.
 
The only new thing here is the Chicago tweet, which I kind of agree with.

What the fuck Rahm, why is this acceptable? How many mothers have to watch their school aged children die so that we can protect the idea of a liberal run utopian city? I was at the WS and every GD cop in the city was there. Why? Because there was high end financial interests to be protected.

The party of Clinton and Obama doesn't care about you unless you bring out the checkbook. They may care about some social ideas that effect your life, but you the poor, destitute person, you are immaterial.
 
is the Black vote next? Blacks have not exactly been served well by their leadership in recent decades

Republicans can't play both sides.

Trump identified a large demographic group and made a bunch of promises he can't keep. He will likely keep that group because they're less educated, driven by fear, socially isolated, and eager to take America backwards.

This isn't really new. Those people have been voting Republican for years. What is new is that the Republican the support this time is clearly authoritarian and has support at multiple levels for his goals.
 
Republicans can't play both sides.

Trump identified a large demographic group and made a bunch of promises he can't keep. He will likely keep that group because they're less educated, driven by fear, socially isolated, and eager to take America backwards.

This isn't really new. Those people have been voting Republican for years. What is new is that the Republican the support this time is clearly authoritarian and has support at multiple levels for his goals.

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid. That's the whole point that Noonan is making. Trump is drawing support from both parties. The out-of-touch liberals on this board have been wrong about Trump (and the American people) for the last 18 months. Why wake up now?
 
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You think the Republicans will build a party that unites rural white less educated voters and black voters?
 
Per Ph - Trump's support has been voting GOP for years.

"Those people" have not been voting Republican for years. They didn't even vote GOP in the last election. They voted Trump.

Here is Iowa in the last 5 elections. You can do this across a number of states. Notice anything?

2000

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2004

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2008

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2012

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2016

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You have to be living under a fucking rock to believe that Trump is getting support from liberals right now, especially with his comment about sending "the feds" to Chicago.
 
The democrats identified a large demographic group and made a bunch of promises they can't keep. They will likely keep that group because they're less educated, driven by fear, financially dependent, and willing to maintain America's status quo.

See, I can play that game, too. Way to generalize and stereotype Ph.
 
You think the Republicans will build a party that unites rural white less educated voters and black voters?

I don't know what black voters are going to do....but the Democrats aren't going to win any elections with only black voters & whiny liberal elitists like those who post on these boards. Hillary probably won California & the six largest urban cities by 8 million votes....and got her ass clobbered everywhere else in the country.
 
You have to be living under a fucking rock to believe that Trump is getting support from liberals right now, especially with his comment about sending "the feds" to Chicago.

Trump has absolutely nothing to lose politically in the inner cities. If he carries out his infrastructure and jobs incentive plans and there is any level of improvement in those communities he will make up ground with those voters. He doesn't have to win the voting block. The whole idea from his perspective would simply be to make some inroads.
 
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid. That's the whole point that Noonan is making. Trump is drawing support from both parties. The out-of-touch liberals on this board have been wrong about Trump (and the American people) for the last 18 months. Why wake up now?

The fear that Trump succeeds is palpable, here and elsewhere. Brace for hysterical panic. If he does nothing else, President Trump will kill Facebook forever, vaulting him to Top 5 all-time by this July.
 
Trump has absolutely nothing to lose politically in the inner cities. If he carries out his infrastructure and jobs incentive plans and there is any level of improvement in those communities he will make up ground with those voters. He doesn't have to win the voting block. The whole idea from his perspective would simply be to make some inroads.

I agree with this, and so do smart, scared Democrats.
 
Dems forgot about labor. It sucks. Let's not act like Pubs will build on Trump's economic populism.
 
I don't know why Republicans are thinking these labor votes in the rust belt are lost forever to the Democratic party after 1 election, when you all have said it yourselves that most of them voted for Obama twice. These aren't Alabama Confederate flag waving Republicans.
 
I don't know why Republicans are thinking these labor votes in the rust belt are lost forever to the Democratic party after 1 election, when you all have said it yourselves that most of them voted for Obama twice. These aren't Alabama Confederate flag waving Republicans.

Of course those votes aren't lost forever, but the Democrats are going to have to change their attitude about a lot of things to get them back...and so far they don't even seem to understand why they lost them in the first place.
 
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