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Pro Life / Pro Choice Debate

He looks considerably younger in the anti-choice picture.

It’s no mystery than a Democrat who has been elected in West Virginia since the 2000 cycle walks a strange tightrope.
 
wakegrrl said:
Just an update - I've been approved to start training as a clinic escort! Passed a background check and social media check.
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Ditto - thanks, wakegrrl for posting that this is a thing. This feels like one of the most useful I've ever volunteered to do.
 
Well sure, we almost never get to hear a man's opinions on stuff.

I'd say by the wording here it seems clear they are not really thinking about trans men.

 
Hopefully the goal is to show how ending abortion would impact men too. But yeah, it looks bad.
 
wakegrrl said:
Wasn't sure whether to put this here or in the media thread, but the New York Times wants MEN to share their experiences with abortion. (They do not specify trans men, so presumably this is for anyone who identifies as male.)

Next up, I want the NYT to ask about my thoughts on vasectomies.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1534074704302063616
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A 30 year old man connected to local police raped a 16 year old girl resulting in pregnancy. He found out five years later she had a daughter and was awarded 50/50 custody. 11 years later a judge awards the man who raped a 16 year old girl full custody of his 16 year old biological daughter and ordered his victim to pay child support.

https://www.wbrz.com/news/investigative-unit-rape-victim-ordered-to-pay-her-abuser-child-support/

In short, this girl is being punished for the decision not to have an abortion after being raped.

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Abelseth had a healthy baby girl, and everything was fine until John Barnes learned sometime in 2011 that he might have a daughter.

"When my daughter was five years old, he found out about her, and once he found out about her, he pursued custody and wanted to take her away from me," Abelseth said. "They granted him 50/50 custody despite the fact that [the child] was caused by rape."

A DNA test is part of court documents that proves with 99.97% accuracy, John Barnes is the child's father. Barnes was 30 years old and Abelseth 16 at the time of conception. The act was illegal at the time, even if it were consensual; Abelseth maintains it never was.

Seven years ago, in July 2015, Abelseth pressed criminal charges against Barnes. A report she filed with the Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office for simple rape details everything that was done to her. Abelseth said she waited to file the police report because she did not know the law.

"I thought if I didn't do it the next day, there was nothing I could do about it," Abelseth said. "I went to a trauma counselor, and he said, 'No, you have 30 years after you turn 18.'"

From 2015 until now, nothing has happened with the report. The Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office says an investigation is still open.

"It was never assigned to a detective, and nothing was ever investigated," according to Abelseth.

A search of John Barnes shows he owns Gumbeaux Digital Branding, a web company in Ponchatoula. Barnes' website shows Ponchatoula Police as a client.

Court records in the Tangipahoa Parish courthouse show Barnes admitted he's the biological father of the child. This year, he was granted custody of that child even though a criminal complaint was filed in 2015. Mysteriously those records are under seal, hidden from public view.
 
Good grief.

Is it possible the reporting is missing something salient to this horrific-sounding miscarriage of justice….?!

Seems doubtful.

Hopefully, the rapist will lose all custody and parental rights at the hearing next month. At the least, he should probably be made to cover the mother’s legal costs as well.
 
PhDeac said:
A 30 year old man connected to local police raped a 16 year old girl resulting in pregnancy. He found out five years later she had a daughter and was awarded 50/50 custody. 11 years later a judge awards the man who raped a 16 year old girl full custody of his 16 year old biological daughter and ordered his victim to pay child support.

https://www.wbrz.com/news/investigative-unit-rape-victim-ordered-to-pay-her-abuser-child-support/

In short, this girl is being punished for the decision not to have an abortion after being raped.

—————

Abelseth had a healthy baby girl, and everything was fine until John Barnes learned sometime in 2011 that he might have a daughter.

"When my daughter was five years old, he found out about her, and once he found out about her, he pursued custody and wanted to take her away from me," Abelseth said. "They granted him 50/50 custody despite the fact that [the child] was caused by rape."

A DNA test is part of court documents that proves with 99.97% accuracy, John Barnes is the child's father. Barnes was 30 years old and Abelseth 16 at the time of conception. The act was illegal at the time, even if it were consensual; Abelseth maintains it never was.

Seven years ago, in July 2015, Abelseth pressed criminal charges against Barnes. A report she filed with the Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office for simple rape details everything that was done to her. Abelseth said she waited to file the police report because she did not know the law.

"I thought if I didn't do it the next day, there was nothing I could do about it," Abelseth said. "I went to a trauma counselor, and he said, 'No, you have 30 years after you turn 18.'"

From 2015 until now, nothing has happened with the report. The Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office says an investigation is still open.

"It was never assigned to a detective, and nothing was ever investigated," according to Abelseth.

A search of John Barnes shows he owns Gumbeaux Digital Branding, a web company in Ponchatoula. Barnes' website shows Ponchatoula Police as a client.

Court records in the Tangipahoa Parish courthouse show Barnes admitted he's the biological father of the child. This year, he was granted custody of that child even though a criminal complaint was filed in 2015. Mysteriously those records are under seal, hidden from public view.
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So the rapist was awarded full custody of the child because...the mother gave the child a cell phone? The child who should be 15 at least? This whole thing is just Louisiana-wack.
 
avalon said:
so....... re education camps?
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It’s the humane thing to do apparently. :rolleyes

Notice how there seems to be absolutely no consideration that someone who gets an abortion already has kids. No consideration that they’d be taking a parent away from their kids.
 
To be fair, that part is consistent, they aren't concerned about separating children from their parents. Once out of the womb, they're on their own!

Unless someone takes them to a drag brunch or something.
 
avalon said:
To be fair, that part is consistent, they aren't concerned about separating children from their parents. Once out of the womb, they're on their own!

Unless someone takes them to a drag brunch or something.
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Good point.
 
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