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Pro Life / Pro Choice Debate

Notice how the Republican diaspora showed up to make political hay off dead service members in Afghanistan while not saying a peep about this huge development in one of their top priorities.
 
Maybe I’m too optimistic, but I feel that 2016 opened a lot of Democratic voters eyes to the importance of voting and reducing access to abortion will fuel turnout even more.
 
WFFaithful said:
Notice how the Republican diaspora showed up to make political hay off dead service members in Afghanistan while not saying a peep about this huge development in one of their top priorities.
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I saw that Fox News barely mentioned it on TV and I checked Fox News earlier today and the only headline remotely close to it was about Pzaki's response to a right-wing male reporter telling him he hasn't had to worry about getting an abortion.

You'd think Wrangor would come back and take a victory lap on this thread he started.

mako1331 said:
Bro after he stole all that money from Haitian aid I don’t think John Wycliffe has any room to judge anyone.
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LOL.
 
bym051d said:
Maybe I’m too optimistic, but I feel that 2016 opened a lot of Democratic voters eyes to the importance of voting and reducing access to abortion will fuel turnout even more.
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This. Haven’t seen this level of rage from Dems and non-trumpists in 8 months.
 
Red states have been passing worse and worse abortion laws for years and Democrats haven't done shit. I'm not confident this is going to change anything.
 
PhDeac said:
Red states have been passing worse and worse abortion laws for years and Democrats haven't done shit. I'm not confident this is going to change anything.
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Maybe not but turning citizens into some sort of bounty hunting Stazi seems like something that could trigger a strong backlash.
 
while a fair amount of our citizenry is getting more radicalized, you'd have to think a certain percentage of people can see that and want to distance themselves from it. And you only need a couple percent in the swing states to where they're just losing bigly and give up this ridiculous strategy of crazy trains and go back to just being rich white people moderates.
 
Abortion: When will we as a country wake up to the truth?

That makes sense. But things don’t make sense. Plenty of those rich white people moderates really want to own the libs. They fear socialism because they think Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are going to take their guns and raise their taxes.

They don’t fear neo-Nazis or the Proud Boys. Violent “citizens arrests” aren’t going to bother them. They supported George Zimmerman. They view progressives and anyone else not like them as obstacles and they view the rubes as political tools. Fox News and the like will always help them rationalize. They’re not going to turn off Fox News.

Think about it like this. Is there anybody who after four years of Trump was like “I’m all in for four more years!” and now thinks Republicans have gone too far? I doubt it.
 
PhDeac said:
Red states have been passing worse and worse abortion laws for years and Democrats haven't done shit. I'm not confident this is going to change anything.
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Yep, it’s pretty hard to be optimistic.

Republicans have been mostly doing dishonest and destructive things for years. And seem increasingly well positioned to grasp and hold power by minority rule.
 
PhDeac said:
Think about it like this. Is there anybody who after four years of Trump was like “I’m all in for four more years!” and now thinks Republicans have gone too far? I doubt it.
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There are lots of horrible people out there who aren’t going to change. They’ll remain self-centered.

In 2020, they came out in massive numbers, and even more came out against them.

That’s my hope - that good people will continue to show up.
 
That makes sense. But things don’t make sense. Plenty of those rich white people moderates really want to own the libs. They fear socialism because they think Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are going to take their guns and raise their taxes.

They don’t fear neo-Nazis or the Proud Boys. Violent “citizens arrests” aren’t going to bother them. They supported George Zimmerman. They view progressives and anyone else not like them as obstacles and they view the rubes as political tools. Fox News and the like will always help them rationalize. They’re not going to turn off Fox News.

Think about it like this. Is there anybody who after four years of Trump was like “I’m all in for four more years!” and now thinks Republicans have gone too far? I doubt it.
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bym051d said:
There are lots of horrible people out there who aren’t going to change. They’ll remain self-centered.

In 2020, they came out in massive numbers, and even more came out against them.

That’s my hope - that good people will continue to show up.
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The moderates were probably the ones splitting their tickets in 2020-they thought Trump was horrible, but so was the prospect of a Dem controlled legislature and presidency. On the state level, best case scenario is that some of these legislature and governorships split control-not enough to reverse the shitty laws that Republicans already passed, but enough not to pass new shitty laws.
 
ChrisL68 said:
No GOP president. No conservative SCJ nominee. And do you honestly believe that mcconnell could have held up a Supreme Court nomination for 5 years with no political blowback?
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Yes, I absolutely think so. What would have happened to McConnell that didn't happen to him when he blocked Garland?
 
I'll admit that I'm also far more pessimistic and cynical about the chances to reverse the steady erosion and/or overturning of progressive laws, court rulings, agencies and programs, etc. by far-right Republicans than I was even four or five years ago. The demographics are moving against Republicans, yet they've found ingenious ways to overcome that disadvantage, and it's clear they're willing to do whatever it takes to stay in power. The system seems more rigged in favor of rural states and areas than ever, and there is now clear evidence that nothing, not even a disaster as epic as the pandemic, is going to shake GOP loyalty to Trumpism. It took the Great Depression to bring real progressive policies to power and start an era of reform in the 1930s, and I was hoping that the pandemic and Trump and the GOP's clearly disastrous response to it would be the wake-up call this generation needed. Instead, Trump got 11 million more votes than in 2016 and the GOP gained seats in the House, gained in state legislatures and governor's races, and basically broke even in the Senate.

At this point I don't think there's anything that will shake the loyalty of most white voters to Trumpism. Add in the weakness of the gerontocracy Democratic "leadership", and the fact that conservatives have created extremely powerful propaganda networks from Fox to think tanks to social media sites, and it's very likely that in a few years we could be looking at a GOP minority having near-permanent control of all branches of the federal government. And once they get that control, they won't be giving it up again, at least not peacefully.
 
Abortion: When will we as a country wake up to the truth?

Where we stand right now is much closer to the 1870s than the 1930s. Maintaining the filibuster to avoid doing anything to protect voting rights and women’s rights in red states is the modern version of the Compromise of 1876.
 
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