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Role of the Media

Yeah, reagan would hate
BeachBumDeac said:
Yeah, homeless people are always framed in the media as people who are not able function in society. And yet homelessness spikes in places where there is no affordable housing.

Reminds me of the “disability” argument where people are able to function in society when there are reasonable accommodations, but if you can’t operate in an environment built only for able bodied people then your condition is the problem, not the way the environment is built
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for its faults, the ADA is one of the things the US has largely defeated the world at in terms of disability accomodations. imagine trying to get that through congress today? woof
 
ImTheCaptain said:
Yeah, reagan would hate


for its faults, the ADA is one of the things the US has largely defeated the world at in terms of disability accomodations. imagine trying to get that through congress today? woof
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we've made strides but there is still a LONG way to go. ADA lawsuits are seen as predatory small business killers rather than a situation people with different ways to get around just using the only mechanism available to them to get access to public spaces.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
Yeah, reagan would hate


for its faults, the ADA is one of the things the US has largely defeated the world at in terms of disability accomodations. imagine trying to get that through congress today? woof
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Quote from Reagan during his first term as he was pushing budget cuts in the federal government:

"Those who through no fault of their own must depend on the rest of us, the poverty-stricken, the disabled, the elderly, all those with true need," Reagan said, "can rest assured that the social safety net of programs they depend on are exempt from any cuts."

In many ways he did not resemble a modern day republican
 
WindyCityDeac said:
Quote from Reagan during his first term as he was pushing budget cuts in the federal government:

"Those who through no fault of their own must depend on the rest of us, the poverty-stricken, the disabled, the elderly, all those with true need," Reagan said, "can rest assured that the social safety net of programs they depend on are exempt from any cuts."

In many ways he did not resemble a modern day republican
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dude
 
My only point is Reagan was not nearly as conservative as the modern day republicans hold him up to be. Conservative for his time, sure, but 40 yrs ago everything was closer to center.
 
WindyCityDeac said:
Quote from Reagan during his first term as he was pushing budget cuts in the federal government:

"Those who through no fault of their own must depend on the rest of us, the poverty-stricken, the disabled, the elderly, all those with true need," Reagan said, "can rest assured that the social safety net of programs they depend on are exempt from any cuts."

In many ways he did not resemble a modern day republican
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did his actions match those words?
 
BeachBumDeac said:
did his actions match those words?
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in some ways. Huge payroll tax increases in the early 80's to fund social security.

pushed to raise taxes somewhat significantly on 3 different occasions during his presidency. Even as governor of california he pushed through record tax increases to balance the budget. If a republican did that today the right would call for his head
 
BeachBumDeac said:
we've made strides but there is still a LONG way to go. ADA lawsuits are seen as predatory small business killers rather than a situation people with different ways to get around just using the only mechanism available to them to get access to public spaces.
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yeah, this is something I have quite a bit of experience with, it was always bullshit, and the problem here is lawyers.
 
WindyCityDeac said:
Quote from Reagan during his first term as he was pushing budget cuts in the federal government:

"Those who through no fault of their own must depend on the rest of us, the poverty-stricken, the disabled, the elderly, all those with true need," Reagan said, "can rest assured that the social safety net of programs they depend on are exempt from any cuts."

In many ways he did not resemble a modern day republican
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The bolded is doing some heavy lifting for republicans, particular wrt poverty.

Reagan's politics were about direction as much as position. There is a slim chance that he'd be appalled by a few things he saw if you time travelled him from 40 years ago to today, but if he had any time to acclimate he'd happily keep pressing on IMO.
 
He hated free college so everything old is new again.

Whatever quotes we remember, he also presided over shit like the myth of the welfare queen, entitlements are bad, bootstraps are good, And America is that shinning city on the hill that every other country wants to emulate because we're special by god given birthright.
 
My economy definition includes a great stock market, banks that do not fail, and low inflation.
 
So you want more money for nothing, banks without consequences, and for neither to increase the price of goods and services?
 
wfunme said:
My economy definition includes a great stock market, banks that do not fail, and low inflation.
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Blinder and Watson found that since 1945 the average inflation rate was higher under Republican presidents than under Democrats, though inflation tended to rise under Democrats but fall under Republicans.[1]
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Stock market returns are also higher under Democratic presidents.[19] CNN reported in September 2020 that: “Since 1945, the S&P 500 has averaged an annual gain of 11.2% during years when Democrats controlled the White House, according to CFRA Research. That's well ahead of the 6.9% average gain under Republicans.”[3] Analysis conducted by S&P Capital IQ in 2016 found similar results since 1901.[20] Blinder and Watson estimated that the S&P 500 returned 8.4% annually on average under Democrats, versus 2.7% under Republicans, a difference of 5.7% percentage points. This computation used the average value in last year of the president's term, minus the average value in last year of previous term.[1]

The Washington Post cited a study by CFRA Research that the stock market (as measured by the S&P 500) averaged the following annual rates of return, under different control scenarios, from 1945 to September 2020:

  1. Democratic president with split Congress: 13.6%
  2. Democratic president with Republican Congress: 13.0%
  3. Republican president with Republican Congress: 12.9%
  4. Democratic president with Democratic Congress: 9.8%
  5. Republican president with split Congress: 5.8%
  6. Republican president with Democratic Congress: 4.9%[21]
Bloomberg News reported in November 2021 that Democratic presidents held seven of the top ten positions of S&P 500 returns during the first year of a presidential term, measured from their election days. Joe Biden ranked first with a 37.4% return, with the next five highest positions also held by Democrats.[22]

The Democratic outperformance is even more striking if data from the Great Depression and World War II are included. From 1927 through 2016, the average excess stock market return (that is, the difference between the stock market return and the return on a risk-free investment) was 10.7% per year under Democratic presidents and -0.2% per year under Republican presidents.[23]
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Analysis conducted by CFRA Research in 2020 found that since 1945 corporate earnings per share, a key measure of corporate profitability, grew 12.8% on average under Democratic presidents, versus 1.8% for Republicans.[3]
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CNN reported in October 2020 that 10 of the last 11 recessions started under Republican presidents, and that “Every Republican president since Benjamin Harrison, who served from 1889 to 1893, had a recession start in their first term in office.”[3] NBER reports the start date of recessions; the following list includes the president in office at that time and their party:[24]

1.) February 2020 (Trump / R) House - D / Senate - R

2.) December 2007 (Bush 43 / R) House - D / Senate - D

3.) March 2001 (Bush 43 / R) House - R / Senate - R

4.) July 1990 (Bush 41 / R) House - D / Senate - D

5.) July 1981 (Reagan / R) House - D / Senate - D

6.) January 1980 (Carter / D) House - D / Senate - D

7.) November 1973 (Nixon / R) House - D / Senate - D

8.) December 1969 (Nixon / R) House - D / Senate - D

9.) April 1960 (Eisenhower / R) House - D / Senate - D

10.) August 1957 (Eisenhower / R) House - D / Senate - D

11.) July 1953 (Eisenhower / R) House - R / Senate - R

12.) November 1948 (Truman / D) House - R / Senate - R

Blinder and Watson estimated that the economy was in recession for 49 quarters from 1949-2013; 8 of these quarters were under Democrats, with 41 under Republicans.[1]
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dartsndeacs said:
yeah, this is something I have quite a bit of experience with, it was always bullshit, and the problem here is lawyers.
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I also have quite a bit of experience with this, and the problem is not just some lawyers, the problem is also the people who bring bogus claims and the doctors who support them.
 
Meatball and Trump fight over media influencers

The idea that the ecosystem of right-wing shitposters has become a significant proxy conflict in the DeSantis-Trump battle for the Republican nomination may seem odd, if not surreal, to some political observers. But for these GOP presidential campaigns, getting enough of these influencers in your tent in 2023 is akin to getting major Fox News or talk-radio hosts in your corner in 2015.
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The paragraph above just killed me. What a hellscape we live in.
 
wfunme said:
My economy definition includes a great stock market, banks that do not fail, and low inflation.
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Desiring banks that do not fail and low inflation leads you to vote republican? Strange - those are among the reasons why I do not vote republican. I would be interested in whatever specifics you want to offer for your statement.
 
DeaconSig said:
Meatball and Trump fight over media influencers



The paragraph above just killed me. What a hellscape we live in.
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This is the paragraph that slays me:

“With the decline of the credibility of the mainstream media, credible influencers in conservative social media are very important. Voters are looking for facts and truth. Influencers with credibility are very helpful [for any serious GOP presidential campaign],” John McLaughlin, a longtime pollster for Trump, tells Rolling Stone. “Although Trump, with his Facebook, Twitter and Truth followers, is the greatest influencer in the world.”
 
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