Roll The Quad - Wake Forest NIL with noteworthy support

[NewBernDeac]

College football has always been about the dynasty programs with build-in advantages lording over everyone else. There won't be any sympathy due to lack of competitiveness.

Wake won’t even be in that money class not long from now. So make the best of what we and others like us are. It will still be fun and we won’t have a scholarship guard blocking for a millionaire running back.

 

[BeachBumDeac]

Man it’s funny how all these olds are basically nowhere to be found during actual sports seasons and instead come out of the woodwork to bitch and bitch and bitch during transfer season

 

[Biff Tannen]

If this keeps up, The Dawgs will have better players than the NFL with no long term contracts.

 

[PhDeac]

Maybe the Dawgs can hang out in Atlanta for an extra day and play the Falcons.

 

[NewBernDeac]

Man it’s funny how all these olds are basically nowhere to be found during actual sports seasons and instead come out of the woodwork to bitch and bitch and bitch during transfer season

It’s because we could not believe it would get this bad. And many knew it was hopeless With natural economic selection determining the outcome of dear old Wake. Regardless of the ncaa good intentions the outcome is money based. It takes guts to turn down millions

 

[Deaconblue]

It’s because we could not believe it would get this bad. And many knew it was hopeless With natural economic selection determining the outcome of dear old Wake. Regardless of the ncaa good intentions the outcome is money based. It takes guts to turn down millions

Looking more and more like talent will be distributed along ability to pay lines. And, talent will be redistributed annually. Top players and now improved players will follow the money.

 

[deacdixieboy]

Looking more and more like talent will be distributed along ability to pay lines. And, talent will be redistributed annually. Top players and now improved players will follow the money.

And at the end of this even less players will come out with a degree. I hope this NIL money will last for them.

 

[PhDeac]

And at the end of this even less players will come out with a degree. I hope this NIL money will last for them.

How to do you figure? It may have the opposite effect. Some athletes are transferring for another year for NIL instead of going pro.

 

[Deaconblue]

And at the end of this even less players will come out with a degree. I hope this NIL money will last for them.

That's the big downside of the transfers. No degree. And I suspect very few players are getting lifetime supply of money. Great money for a college student? Sure. Set you up for life money? Only a very rare few.

 

[BeachBumDeac]

How to do you figure? It may have the opposite effect. Some athletes are transferring for another year for NIL instead of going pro.

Think something like 40% of players entering the portal end up without a spot at a new school.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Everybody does it in football it's universal and I wouldn't assume it has too significant of an impact historically in that sport for a variety of reasons. Not sure how far back it goes at Wake but if you think AT Perry turned down the $1million offer from USC to transfer there because he likes Fratelli's you're kidding yourself. Somebody made it worth his while. Again, not saying it's wrong just that it's happening.

AT turned down 1 million dollars from USC?

 

[deacdixieboy]

How to do you figure? It may have the opposite effect. Some athletes are transferring for another year for NIL instead of going pro.

They lose credits. Run out of time on scholarship and just leave. Transfer somewhere with a bunch of major credits for a major they don’t have. Any number of reasons. Transfer athletes having a lower graduation rate is fairly well-documented I think based on the comment above. Especially when folks transfer multiple times.

 

[Arsene Wenger]

Thirty or forty years from now, people will look back on the 2020s, and the handwringing over paying people (players) a fair wage for their labor and the considerable profits they generate for the institutions they are affiliated with, and think it’s really weird so many were so freaked out by it.

 

[sportsmed86]

Think something like 40% of players entering the portal end up without a spot at a new school.

This is the Very Dirty Big secret of not enough slots cause once you are in the Portal, not many coaches will welcome you back.

 

[deacdixieboy]

Thirty or forty years from now, people will look back on the 2020s, and the handwringing over paying people (players) a fair wage for their labor and the considerable profits they generate for the institutions they are affiliated with, and think it’s really weird so many were so freaked out by it.

This is missing so much of the issue.

 

[Tobacco Road]

. . .Regardless of the ncaa good intentions the outcome is money based. It takes guts to turn down millions

The NCAA’s do-what-now?!?
The NCAA’s intentions are to generate as much money as it can. For itself and those that help it maintain its structure.

 

[Wild bill]

There seems to be a disconnect here about what NIL is.

While athletic programs (specifically football, and to a smaller extent men's hoop) benefit by keeping and attracting players via NIL deals, NIL deals are, by their nature, financial agreements between athletes and third-parties -- not between the schools and the athletes.

Opposing NIL freedom for college athletes, the NCAA argued that it had the authority to ban such deals because they arose from the fact that the athlete was in position to receive these deals because they played for Bama in football or Kentucky in basketball. Among other things, the NCAA argued that it was in the public's interest to allow the NCAA to ban or regulate NIL deals because without NCAA oversight, competitive balance would be destroyed, NIL deals would not be fairly administered (as in male athletes getting paid more) and that it violated the founding principle that college athletes are amateurs. The Supreme Court rejected those arguments and ruled that the NCAA can't stop college athletes from negotiating NIL deals with these third parties.

In light of the NIL ruling, schools, conferences and the NCAA can not:

• Cap the amount an athletes receive
• Act to ensure that male and female athletes receive the same amount
• Regulate the NIL deals in any meaningful way

Schools are pretty much limited to reviewing the proposed NIL contracts with the athletes to ensure they comply with applicable law and don't violate the remaining NCAA rules which are in place. While there is no doubt that NIL has been predictably perverted to favor schools with rich boosters as a way to pay recruits, potential transfers and their own players to help their favorite college program (typically football), the essential purpose of NIL is to allow the individual athlete to exploit the available market to maximize his (or her) value. This never was and never will be about making sure all athletes (male or female; football or cross country) get paid a minimum amount or don't exceed a maximum amount. So, there will never be a cap, and there will never be a system to ensure that there is equality in pay.

If Jeff Bezos wants to pay only the white male athletes at Princeton (his alma mater) for some BS Amazon promo gig, he can do that. There is nothing that the NCAA, the conferences or the schools can do to stop it, other than to shutdown their program.

I don't think the NCAA can impose a cap. The players do not have a union and there is no way currently for there to be an organization to negotiate a contract that would apply universally. If the NCAA tried to impose a cap it wouldn't stand up in court if challenged by a player (or school). I don't believe the current situation is what the court had in mind when it okayed a player's right to get paid for the use of his or her name, image, or likeness.

 

[SCDeac]

This is the Very Dirty Big secret of not enough slots cause once you are in the Portal, not many coaches will welcome you back.

Last year only 28 percent of the kids who went into the portal found a landing place.

 

[Pilchard]

Given that scholarships are only one year commitments with the school holding the option to renew or not, there are three categories of players in the portal:

• Players with eligibility remaining and their current school did not renew their ship for the next year (for WF that's 5th and 6th year guys; for many schools, it can be any year)
• Players with eligibility remaining and their current school remains committed, but the player wants to move on via the portal; so, the school uses the ship on someone else, and the player can't return and doesn't have a landing place
• Players with eligibility remaining and their current school remains committed, and the players has countless options, including returning to his current program and is offered NIL money when deciding between options (e.g., Sam Hartman).

The perception is that all transfer fall into the third category, but most do not. The first category has always been a source of transfers, and many of those guys have to drop a level if they want to play and get scholly money.

The second category are the victims of the transfer portal age, and the players need to understand that's the risk if they enter the portal. Football programs can't wait. So, once a player enters the portal, unless he is special (e.g., Kendall Hinton), the former program is likely to move on.

 

[BarcaDeac]

A lot more tweets about this rolling out from football players (and others). Notably Carson, Ellison, Morin, Mitch Griffis, Matthew Dennis, among others.