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Shooting at an Orlando Gay Night Club

RJKarl said:
A demographic ban or a specific person ban?
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Well, since I described the 'demographic' as known or credibly suspected terrorists, it would have to consist of a list of specific people.

Actually, I would hope this is already the case.
 
scooter84 said:
This is why I hesitate to ask questions - people always question your motives and assume you are putting forth an agenda.
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Meh. Fuck 'em. Most of them just want to put words in your mouth to troll (Ph is the worst in this group), so they can feel superior about tearing down a straw man (Childress is the worst in this one), or because they are looking for a fight (MDMH). Who cares, though?
 
scooter84 said:
Well, since I described the 'demographic' as known or credibly suspected terrorists, it would have to consist of a list of specific people.

Actually, I would hope this is already the case.
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That's actually the definition of specific people.

A demographic is a group of people like Mexicans or Muslims.
 
Coach O said:
Honest question, coming from a point of genuine curiosity: Gun advocates, particularly those that won't give an inch relative to weapons that can kill a LOT of people in seconds, scare the living bejeezus out of me...and can not, in my mind, describe a rational argument as to why private citizens should have them. Do I have a PC inflicted malady because, even though I have tried, I can't consider their viewpoint?
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My thing is where do we draw a line on what guns we need to ban. A handgun can kill a lot of people in seconds and is significantly easier to conceal. Shotguns can kill a lot of people in seconds, hunting rifles as well. All I've heard is a bunch of uniformed liberals yelling that we should ban that big black scary looking rifle, because it's AUTOMATIC (spoiler alert it's not an automatic).

There needs to be lines drawn, but we should look at the stats instead of acting out of emotion. Handguns have killed more people since the Orlando shooting, than people were killed in the club. Odds are if your murdered by a gun in the US that gun was a handgun not an AR-15. Why are we wasting time trying to ban a scary looking gun, when we should be talking about sensible regulations around handgun ownership.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
My thing is where do we draw a line on what guns we need to ban. A handgun can kill a lot of people in seconds and is significantly easier to conceal. Shotguns can kill a lot of people in seconds, hunting rifles as well. All I've heard is a bunch of uniformed liberals yelling that we should ban that big black scary looking rifle, because it's AUTOMATIC (spoiler alert it's not an automatic).

There needs to be lines drawn, but we should look at the stats instead of acting out of emotion. Handguns have killed more people since the Orlando shooting, than people were killed in the club. Odds are if your murdered by a gun in the US that gun was a handgun not an AR-15. Why are we wasting time trying to ban a scary looking gun, when we should be talking about sensible regulations around handgun ownership.
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Why not do both?
 
Breaking: After President Trump bans Muslims from the United States, the World bans Americans

In an unprecedented move, world leaders have joined together to ban Americans from their respective countries. Citing the highest prevalence of firearms, incarceration rate, and homicide by firearm rate among developed countries, leaders worry that Americans will bring their violent tendencies to their own countries.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
My thing is where do we draw a line on what guns we need to ban. A handgun can kill a lot of people in seconds and is significantly easier to conceal. Shotguns can kill a lot of people in seconds, hunting rifles as well. All I've heard is a bunch of uniformed liberals yelling that we should ban that big black scary looking rifle, because it's AUTOMATIC (spoiler alert it's not an automatic).

There needs to be lines drawn, but we should look at the stats instead of acting out of emotion. Handguns have killed more people since the Orlando shooting, than people were killed in the club. Odds are if your murdered by a gun in the US that gun was a handgun not an AR-15. Why are we wasting time trying to ban a scary looking gun, when we should be talking about sensible regulations around handgun ownership.
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I'm all for banning handguns.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
My thing is where do we draw a line on what guns we need to ban. A handgun can kill a lot of people in seconds and is significantly easier to conceal. Shotguns can kill a lot of people in seconds, hunting rifles as well. All I've heard is a bunch of uniformed liberals yelling that we should ban that big black scary looking rifle, because it's AUTOMATIC (spoiler alert it's not an automatic).

There needs to be lines drawn, but we should look at the stats instead of acting out of emotion. Handguns have killed more people since the Orlando shooting, than people were killed in the club. Odds are if your murdered by a gun in the US that gun was a handgun not an AR-15. Why are we wasting time trying to ban a scary looking gun, when we should be talking about sensible regulations around handgun ownership.
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I agree with all of this. Why are we talking about just banning the scary looking gun? We should be talking about banning all of them
 
Also 10 pages later and none of the BAN MUSLIMS contingent have addressed how that would actually work
 
WFcatamount22 said:
One makes a difference, and is achievable. The other makes for great political talking points and grandstanding.
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Which one is which? I think banning certain types of guns is far more achievable and affects far fewer people than regulating handgun ownership.

I think most of the people you think disagree with you would definitely prioritize regulating handguns.
 
Other sources show that Yousuf is Hindu. They can stay.
 
Anderson Cooper is destroying the AG of FL about her acts against gays and now is "supporting" them. He mentioned that her Twitter page celebrated "adopt a dog month" and many other such events, but never in her tenure as AG that she mentioned Gay Pride Month or anything positive about the LGBT community.

She was really pissed at him. He really showed her to be the transparent opportunist trying to make political points out of an unspeakable tragedy.
 
It's time we compromise. Ban all Muslims and all guns. Then everybody is happy, right?
 
RJKarl said:
Anderson Cooper is destroying the AG of FL about her acts against gays and now is "supporting" them. He mentioned that her Twitter page celebrated "adopt a dog month" and many other such events, but never in her tenure as AG that she mentioned Gay Pride Month or anything positive about the LGBT community.

She was really pissed at him. He really showed her to be the transparent opportunist trying to make political points out of an unspeakable tragedy.
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Is it not possible to:

1. Think that the gays' sex life is immoral, and
2. Think that the gays shouldn't be slaughtered?

I mean, I think porn is immoral, but that wouldn't make someone shooting up a porn convention something to be celebrated. The fact that someone has certain proclivities and/or engages in certain behaviors that I think are immoral does not make them any less worthy of life or their death any less tragic.
 
MysteryMen said:
I agree with all of this. Why are we talking about just banning the scary looking gun? We should be talking about banning all of them
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Because it's crazy talk to ban handguns. It's a nonstarter. For now, anyway, it would be unconstitutional, and outside of donkey enclaves like DC and Chicago, the political will isn't there.
 
Junebug said:
Is it not possible to:

1. Think that the gays' sex life is immoral, and
2. Think that the gays shouldn't be slaughtered?

I mean, I think porn is immoral, but that wouldn't make someone shooting up a porn convention something to be celebrated. The fact that someone has certain proclivities and/or engages in certain behaviors that I think are immoral does not make them any less worthy of life or their death any less tragic.
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Delete/Lock/Ban.
 
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