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So how exactly did this happen?

bobknightfan said:
Where the Democrats failed in this election was that they didn't call enough people deplorable racists. Next time, they need to really get on that early in the campaign & hit it much harder. They should charge somebody with being a racist in every single TV commercial. Make sure they get the word out that anyone not voting for the Democratic candidate is not doing so because he is a racist.

They need to get serious with this racism stuff if they really want to win.
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And just like the stupid Republicans proudly calling themselves "deplorable", you are gullible and have terrible comprehension skills.

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myDeaconmyhand said:
And just like the stupid Republicans proudly calling themselves "deplorable", you are gullible and have terrible comprehension skills.

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Go back to your liberal echo chamber and see if, thru a group effort, you can figure out why you lost this slam-dunk election.


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DeacMan said:
I will preface this by saying I am rather scared for the future as I think Trump is a complete loose cannon who has the temperament of a rabid squirrel. I'll also say that I could never vote for Hillary Clinton seeing as how the job of the President is to administer and enforce the law and she openly flaunts her disregard of the same. So I pulled the lever on Gary Johnson, a guy I admittedly know absolutely nothing about.

Having bared my soul, I think it is really lazy to equate big groups voters to the same qualities you see in the candidates for whom they voted. My wife voted for Hillary Clinton, plugging her nose. That does not mean she endorses corruption and lying your way through life.

Which leads me to whether someone who feels like this guy can explain how "racism" explains these results?

2000 - Gore - 47%
2004 - Kerry - 46%
2008 - Obama - 48%
2012 - Obama - 48%

Those are the voting results for Democrats in Presidential elections from a rural-ish Republican leaning county in Southern Ohio I know very well. If "racism" was so much in play among all the purported uneducated, low brow hicks in this county how does the purported Kenyan born black Muslim who was a community organizer on the Southside of Chicago not once but twice hold up well against the lilly white Democrats from 2000 and 2004?

And that brings me to Tuesday. Clinton won . . . 29% of the vote in this same county - a 19 point drop from what Obama pulled in each of the last two elections. And you can literally repeat this exercise over and over and over and over in similar counties all across the rust belt. Clinton literally lost counties in Wisconsin that have not voted Republican in almost 60 years.

Trump, who I think has no real chance of helping these people, spoke to their very kitchen table concerns. Those include a long, slow decay of their communities. He stepped in and said I get it, you've gotten a raw deal from the elites. And I will make you "Great" again. He spoke up against Free Trade, promised tariffs if factories were closed and said illegal immigration would no longer be allowed to suck jobs (never mind many of these counties have few illegal immigrants). What did Clinton (and, frankly, the other Republican candidates) offer these voters? Retraining for jobs that don't exist? She did call them "deplorable" and "unredeemable" - a huge political blunder. Faced with these two choices these voters fled to Trump in big chunks - overlooking all of the ridiculous things he said about all sundry of groups of people. Had he been an even better "vessel" for his message he may have won by significantly more.
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Your last paragraph reminded me of this Facebook post from Mike Rowe, of Discovery Channel fame. I think he nails it as well.

Off The Wall
Hey Mike. You’ve been very quiet. Everything OK? I just wanted you to know that I voted for you. I was also hoping you might explain what the hell happened on Tuesday, and say something to make me feel better about my fellow man. Thanks,
Carol Savoy
Hi Carol
Last Friday, my dog posted a video that featured a man licking a cat with the aid of a device that’s designed for the specific purpose of making it easier for people to lick their cats.I’ve been silent ever since, because frankly, I couldn’t think of a better way – metaphorical or otherwise - to express my feelings about this election cycle. The entire country it seems, has been preoccupied with finding a way to lick a cat without actually putting their tongue on it.
Too oblique? Too weird? Ok, how about this analysis:
Back in 2003, a very unusual TV pilot called Dirty Jobs, Forrest-Gumped its way onto The Discovery Channel and found an audience – a big one. For Discovery, this was a problem. You see, Dirty Jobs didn’t look like anything else on their channel. It wasn’t pretty or careful. It took place in sewers and septic tanks, and featured a subversive host in close contact with his 8-year old inner child who refused to do second takes. Everyone agreed that Dirty Jobs was totally “off-brand” and completely inappropriate for Discovery. Everyone but the viewers. The ratings were just too big to ignore, so the pilot got a green-light, and yours truly finally got a steady gig.
But here's the thing - Dirty Jobs didn’t resonate because the host was incredibly charming. It wasn’t a hit because it was gross, or irreverent, or funny, or silly, or smart, or terribly clever. Dirty Jobs succeeded because it was authentic. It spoke directly and candidly to a big chunk of the country that non-fiction networks had been completely ignoring. In a very simple way, Dirty Jobs said “Hey - we can see you,” to millions of regular people who had started to feel invisible. Ultimately, that’s why Dirty Jobs ran for eight seasons. And today, that’s also why Donald Trump is the President of the United States.
I know people are freaked out, Carol. I get it. I’m worried too. But not because of who we elected. We've survived 44 Presidents, and we'll survive this one too. I’m worried because millions of people now seem to believe that Trump supporters are racist, xenophobic, and uneducated misogynists. I'm worried because despising our candidates publicly is very different than despising the people who vote for them.
Last week, three old friends – people I’ve known for years - each requested to be “unfriended” by anyone who planned on voting for Trump. Honestly, that was disheartening. Who tosses away a friendship over an election? Are my friends turning into those mind-numbingly arrogant celebrities who threaten to move to another country if their candidate doesn’t win? Are my friends now convinced that people they’ve known for years who happen to disagree with them politically are not merely mistaken – but evil, and no longer worthy of their friendship?
For what it’s worth, Carol, I don’t think Donald Trump won by tapping into America’s “racist underbelly,” and I don’t think Hillary lost because she’s a woman. I think a majority of people who voted in this election did so in spite of their many misgivings about the character of both candidates. That’s why it’s very dangerous to argue that Clinton supporters condone lying under oath and obstructing justice. Just as it’s equally dangerous to suggest a Trump supporter condones gross generalizations about foreigners and women.
These two candidates were the choices we gave ourselves, and each came with a heaping helping of vulgarity and impropriety. Yeah, it was dirty job for sure, but the winner was NOT decided by a racist and craven nation – it was decided by millions of disgusted Americans desperate for real change. The people did not want a politician. The people wanted to be seen. Donald Trump convinced those people that he could see them. Hillary Clinton did not.
As for me, I’m flattered by your support, but grateful that your vote was not enough to push me over the top. However, when the dust settles, and The White House gets a new tenant, I’ll make the same offer to President Trump that I did to President Obama – to assist as best I can in any attempt to reinvigorate the skilled trades, and shine a light on millions of good jobs that no one seems excited about pursuing. http://bit.ly/2fG1SxI
Like those 3 million “shovel ready” jobs we heard so much about eight years ago, the kind of recovery that Donald Trump is promising will require a workforce that’s properly trained and sufficiently enthused about the opportunities at hand. At the moment, we do not have that work force in place. What we do have, are tens of millions of capable people who have simply stopped looking for work, and millions of available jobs that no one aspires to do. That's the skills gap, and it's gotta close. If mikeroweWORKS can help, we're standing by.
If not, I suppose we'll just have to find another way to lick the cat.
Mike
 
BiffTannen said:
There's a lot of really dumb shit in the above post, but I never can understand how the most advanced, most overfunded military in the history of the planet is constantly considered a joke.
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OBummer dumbed down our military and took the teeth out of them, turned loose almost 200 of war criminals from Gitmo and wanted to shut it down. Sent Kerry to negotiate the dumbest nuclear deal known to man with Iran [but of course in Obama's mind it made the world 'safer'? So that will be dismantled early on. The Army's manpower is down 10% since Obama took office. The Marines are running 2/3 the needed battalions historically for day to day operations. The Air Force fields the smallest & oldest combat fleet in history. Our naval capabilities are aging & inadequate. Anything else Captain & Biff?
 
bobknightfan said:
Go back to your liberal echo chamber and see if, thru a group effort, you can figure out why you lost this slam-dunk election.


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That's rich, you think I live in an "echo chamber". What do you call the bumfuck Stepford Wives village you live in? Take a moment to consider how very similar all the "real American" faces and opinions are in Randleman.

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Has anyone seen these particular maps - the second, third and fourth ones. They show net gains in votes from 2012 and 2008. Trump has obviously struck a big nerve. First he blew up the GOP in the primaries and this shows a huge impact on the Democrats. The darker the red the more the gains by Republicans. The darker the blue the more the gains by Democrats.

http://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/how-the-election-unfolded
 
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DeacMan said:
Has anyone seen this particular map - the second one. It shows net gains in votes from 2012. Trump has obviously struck a big nerve. First he blew up the GOP in the primaries and this shows a huge impact on the Democrats. The darker the red the more the gains by Republicans vs. 2012. The darker the blue the more the gains by Democrats vs. 2012.

http://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/how-the-election-unfolded
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If you look at the individual maps of just about every state you see the same thing. Two countries.
 
simosfrostyone said:
And when Obama talked about those who cling to their guns and their religion who was he talking about? Why would anyone take that personally? Even stupid "rubes" know when someone is insulting them. This is why the Dems are on the verge of losing the midwest in the same way they lost the south.
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That was an astute prediction. Guns and "religious freedom" were the big issues on the right. They clung hard.
 
PhDeac said:
That was an astute prediction. Guns and "religious freedom" were the big issues on the right. They clung hard.
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Lots of people who had been insulted in speeches by President Obama got their revenge, including the candidate. Crazy how most of them teamed up in the end.
 
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bobknightfan said:
Where the Democrats failed in this election was that they didn't call enough people deplorable racists. Next time, they need to really get on that early in the campaign & hit it much harder. They should charge somebody with being a racist in every single TV commercial. Make sure they get the word out that anyone not voting for the Democratic candidate is not doing so because he is a racist.

They need to get serious with this racism stuff if they really want to win.
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They failed in nominating a candidate Dems would fall in love with and vote for on election day. Dems didn't show up to vote.
 
WFFaithful said:
They failed in nominating a candidate Dems would fall in love with and vote for on election day. Dems didn't show up to vote.
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This. Trump won 4 swing states by a rough total of 100K votes. I'd love to hear BKFs theory as to why Democrats didn't show up to vote, rather than hearing him prattle on about the Republican enthusiasm that wasn't actually there.

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TheReff said:
OBummer dumbed down our military and took the teeth out of them, turned loose almost 200 of war criminals from Gitmo and wanted to shut it down. Sent Kerry to negotiate the dumbest nuclear deal known to man with Iran [but of course in Obama's mind it made the world 'safer'? So that will be dismantled early on. The Army's manpower is down 10% since Obama took office. The Marines are running 2/3 the needed battalions historically for day to day operations. The Air Force fields the smallest & oldest combat fleet in history. Our naval capabilities are aging & inadequate. Anything else Captain & Biff?
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Yet we could still wipe the 2nd most powerful nation off the map in 3 seconds a hundred times over?
 
TheReff's post is like Duke fans whining about injuries to their stud freshmen.
 
TownieDeac said:
is donald less of an elite than hillary bc he is somewhat terrible at business?

cuz otherwise, it seems to me like he was born with a silver spoon and the clintons made their money in a single generation with hard work but idk
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One has to ask how hard it is to sell access.
 
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