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Teacher Throws Panty Party for Grade Schoolers

DistrictDeacon said:
Hey now. Let's reserve judgement until all the facts are known. We should wait at least until everyone involved is dead, incase there are any deathbed confessions.
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Seriously?

What a fucking douchebag comment.


Did we not learn anything from the whole Duke Lacrosse scandal?

When someone is charged of a crime, even a reprehensible crime such as gang rape or child pornography, there is NO SHAME or fault in vocalizing the need to wait until more facts are available.

Some flimsy report in the newspaper that shows no proof and only uses claims from individuals is not enough to chastise someone as guilty.

Obviously the police arresting someone means they have sufficient evidence for an arrest warrant, which should allow for anyone observing the story to realize that something evidently went on.

There is zero reason to come down on someone for wanting to extend basic rights to an accused person.
 
wakephan09 said:
You dummies, ITK waited to reserve judgment until more facts came out. They did, and she has surely changed her position.

People are all over everybody nowadays. Chill out, guys.
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But the defendant is still innocent until proven guilty. We still need to let this one play out before making any judgements. Yet here she is calling the woman a sicko.
 
cookoutdeac said:
But the defendant is still innocent until proven guilty. We still need to let this one play out before making any judgements. Yet here she is calling the woman a sicko.
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Well, of course; I think that the reasonable amongst us can agree on that.
 
You can be a sicko and innocent until proven guilty of a crime. Sicko is a personal characterization not a comment on guilt/innocence.
 
I'll tell you what, that pizza party would make a great premise for an "Its not delivery, its Digiorno" commercial
 
These kids are too old and too disease free for ELC...
 
ITK said:
You can be a sicko and innocent until proven guilty of a crime. Sicko is a personal characterization not a comment on guilt/innocence.
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It's also passing judgement before we necessarily have all the facts, and before she has been proven guilty in a court of law. You took the initial position that doing that was wrong. You've got to stick to your guns. She may have been framed by crazy Uncle Charlie, for all we know.
 
cookoutdeac said:
It's also passing judgement before we necessarily have all the facts, and before she has been proven guilty in a court of law. You took the initial position that doing that was wrong. You've got to stick to your guns. She may have been framed by crazy Uncle Charlie, for all we know.
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This is what I said:
Yes, I am allowing someone to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and keeping an open mind after reading what could be an inaccurate Huffington Post article.
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People are innocent until proven guilty per the Constitution. Never did I say an individual passing judgement was wrong. I just said I wanted to keep an open mind after reading one article. I'm not sure why some of you have such a problem with this.....After reading what the FBI found, which came out last night, not yesterday when most of this thread was I believe she is probably a pedophile.
 
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ok, question for the parents on here. obviously this situation is wrong, wrong, WRONG. but at what point does it start to go wrong? we've had several people on here saying that it was inappropriate to have the girls over to her place in the first place. but i'm honestly curious about this. because i had friends when i was in school get baby-sat by teachers. and i have teacher friends now who babysit as well. one would think that teachers would be a SAFER bet than any other random person who you could get to babysit your kids.

i realize that this woman wasn't actually babysitting. but it's a similar concept. being alone (i mean, she wasn't even really alone. she had several girls there at once) in a non-school setting with students.

i also had a 4th grade teacher who had a whole slew of girls over for a slumber party. at the time, i saw nothing wrong with it. i know that things have changed and that probably wouldn't be acceptable now. but we saw nothing wrong with it at the time.
 
This thread is worthless without pics.

pedobear.jpg
 
DeacHoops said:
ok, question for the parents on here. obviously this situation is wrong, wrong, WRONG. but at what point does it start to go wrong? we've had several people on here saying that it was inappropriate to have the girls over to her place in the first place. but i'm honestly curious about this. because i had friends when i was in school get baby-sat by teachers. and i have teacher friends now who babysit as well. one would think that teachers would be a SAFER bet than any other random person who you could get to babysit your kids.

i realize that this woman wasn't actually babysitting. but it's a similar concept. being alone (i mean, she wasn't even really alone. she had several girls there at once) in a non-school setting with students.

i also had a 4th grade teacher who had a whole slew of girls over for a slumber party. at the time, i saw nothing wrong with it. i know that things have changed and that probably wouldn't be acceptable now. but we saw nothing wrong with it at the time.
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I have two small kids and grew up in a small town. My parents and wife are educators. If I was familiar with the teacher, personally and not just through school, I would be comfortable using the teacher as a babysitter.

However, having a teacher invite some kids over to her house for a slumber party just seems weird. Even assuming that nothing pedo happens like in this case, if a teacher invites some kids, but not others, to a party at her house I think that could set up a bad dynamic in the classroom and damage relationships with the kids who weren't invited and their parents. I can't imagine my mom or my wife thinking it was a good idea to do something like that.
 
Why does Wake hate girls so much? It was really clear what she meant, it was an understandable position that the full (/real) story was not being told due to the Huffington Post article sucking ass, she got the idea that it could have been pjs and not lingerie from an earlier poster (who was not castigated), I mean seriously. Her posts that were "weird" were forced explanations from Ph who was thought she was dumb for not posting "it was alleged the teacher did something therefore it must be true". Yall are some dicks
 
AWakeKnight said:
First, I want to address the bolded statement above. Why have things changed? I agree with the approach you took in your post - a teacher should be safer than someone off the street. What has caused our country to completely lose faith in our communities?

I'll be a father in 6 months. I want my child to grow up in a world where they can go over to their teacher's house - hell, anyone's house - in a group of people and have a good time.

What I want to know is: how on earth were all of the little girls ok with putting on that type of clothing? Did the teacher try to make the kids feel "adult" or something? It seems like it wouldn't be impossible to have your child at that age question a situation like this with even the smallest bit of parenting.

1. I have no trouble with sending kids to a teachers house. I went to my teacher's homes in every phase of my education.
2. I have no trouble videotaping a tree decoration. Hell, that's like an American staple. Tell me one of you doesn't have a video of you either decorating the Christmas tree or opening presents under the tree at some point in your life?
3. I have no trouble with teachers videotaping students who are in their home doing a group activity.
4. I have no trouble with teachers using technology like Skype in the classroom, nor do I have trouble with teachers photographing students learning.

You asked about the point at which it went wrong: in this instance, a lot of "ok" activities were preformed and (in my mind) one VERY BAD activity may have occurred: manufacture and distribution of child pornography. If the teacher had the students dress up in suggestive clothing for the purpose of using the images for nefarious purposes or distributing the images, then I'm all for punishing her to the fullest extent of the law.



Full disclosure: my wife is a school teacher, so I know the kind of crap she has to put up with and I'm an attorney who has a few months of experience in criminal defense work.
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just want to say that i agree 100% with everything you wrote. thanks.
 
DeacHoops said:
ok, question for the parents on here. obviously this situation is wrong, wrong, WRONG. but at what point does it start to go wrong? we've had several people on here saying that it was inappropriate to have the girls over to her place in the first place. but i'm honestly curious about this. because i had friends when i was in school get baby-sat by teachers. and i have teacher friends now who babysit as well. one would think that teachers would be a SAFER bet than any other random person who you could get to babysit your kids.

i realize that this woman wasn't actually babysitting. but it's a similar concept. being alone (i mean, she wasn't even really alone. she had several girls there at once) in a non-school setting with students.

i also had a 4th grade teacher who had a whole slew of girls over for a slumber party. at the time, i saw nothing wrong with it. i know that things have changed and that probably wouldn't be acceptable now. but we saw nothing wrong with it at the time.
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It's just strange for a teacher to invite a group of her students (read: not all of her students) over for a slumber party and to trim her own tree at her house.

I wanted to know why ITK felt like she had to defend this person. Simple stuff. I'm not the only one who thinks that's weird. The insinuation that the teacher shouldn't be charged and arrested in that situation blows my mind. There's no room for error with children especially when the case relies on evidence that could so easily be destroyed.
 
PhDeac said:
It's just strange for a teacher to invite a group of her students (read: not all of her students) over for a slumber party and to trim her own tree at her house.

I wanted to know why ITK felt like she had to defend this person. Simple stuff. I'm not the only one who thinks that's weird. The insinuation that the teacher shouldn't be charged and arrested in that situation blows my mind. There's no room for error with children especially when the case relies on evidence that could so easily be destroyed.
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correct me if i'm wrong ITK, but my understanding was not that she was actually defending the woman. it was that she was saying that the media portrayal of the situation could very likely be off (which happens ALL the time), and she was going to wait for something more solid from an actual legal source before passing judgment (i.e. waiting until the woman was actually arrested). you were allowing the media to 100% dictate what you believed. all ITK was saying is that sometimes they're wrong or exaggerate things in order to sell more papers/get more clicks online.

eta: i'm honestly failing to see where it's so wrong to invite girls over to decorate the tree. weird? maybe. wrong? no.
 
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