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The Democratic Party Left Me Behind

Sorry to say i'm not antifa, ive never bashed a fash
 
WFcatamount22 said:
Meanwhile, MHBD's fellow ANTIFA members beat a Bernie Bro with a led pipe for carrying an american flag.

#Antifaisgood.....

https://www.newsweek.com/antifa-violence-portland-bernie-sanders-video-1082072
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i hope that knocked sense into that kid. what the hell is he doing in the middle of a Alt-Right rally and Antifa protest?

*sniff *sniff

watched the clip...it's BS. he should never have been hit but he was in no way beaten as the story makes you think. he was being slapped on the butt with an umbrella or flag, almost playfully, and one last one clipped him in the head. went down like a soccer player and i didn't see any blood. it did not appear to try to seriously injury the kid. no excuse for anyone hitting him, but this is in no way like Charlottesville.
 
warak said:
i hope that knocked sense into that kid. what the hell is he doing in the middle of a Alt-Right rally and Antifa protest?

*sniff *sniff

watched the clip...it's BS. he should never have been hit but he was in no way beaten as the story makes you think. he was being slapped on the butt with an umbrella or flag, almost playfully, and one last one clipped him in the head. went down like a soccer player and i didn't see any blood. it did not appear to try to seriously injury the kid. no excuse for anyone hitting him, but this is in no way like Charlottesville.
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Looked like a piece of metal piping to me. Let me "tap" you on the head with a led pipe, I think it probably was a significant blow.

Will agree that the kid was probably Charmin soft
 
Doesn't seem like it would be that bad.
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i mean idk, it's a flag. i don't know any flag that's base is a metal pipe...maybe hollow aluminum.

still should never have hit him though.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
no i don't struggle with that at all. what is struggle with is a constant "no true scotsman" complaint, which up until like last week was the case for every conversation.

take your 'good faith' bullshit and throw it at the sailors of the world
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ImTheCaptain said:
that piece is more centrist propaganda !
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Is this what good faith opinion sharing looks like? Its a fucking opinion article based off Kevin Williamson's interpretation of socialism. It says in the article that the goal is to "mute democratic demand for reactionary economic nationalism." Its written by a dude that works for a libertarian think tank.

It's interesting that socialists get pegged for "wishcasting about technocratic omnicompetence" when that is more characteristic of neoliberalism.
 
MHBDemon said:
Is this what good faith opinion sharing looks like? Its a fucking opinion article based off Kevin Williamson's interpretation of socialism. It says in the article that the goal is to "mute democratic demand for reactionary economic nationalism." Its written by a dude that works for a libertarian think tank.

It's interesting that socialists get pegged for "wishcasting about technocratic omnicompetence" when that is more characteristic of neoliberalism.
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that one was a joke. score another one for "socialists have no sense of humor"
 
Deacon923 said:
that is a good read and i think fairly captures my (much less coherent) thinking on these issues.
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As Williamson observes, progressives in the mold of Bernie Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez seem not to know or care that today’s model social democracies also boast model capitalist economies that are in many ways more economically laissez-faire than the wickedly capitalist American system.
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I think some maybe most "socialists" care more about corruption in our capitalist structure instead of how laissez-faire it is. One issue at a time.
 
i think the point is that very few americans want a true "socialist" planned economy, and even fewer have any interest in pushing for that, but a great many Americans want and will vote for a robust and fair capitalist economy with a substantially more generous safety net, paid for higher taxes on the people who get the most benefit out of said capitalist economy.

The main issue that is left out the linked piece is the role of organized labor. Germany and the Nordics have very robust labor participation in the governance of private sector businesses, whereas here unions are nearly extinct in the private sector. I think it is difficult to organize a fair capitalist economy if capital gets to make all the rules and can steamroll labor every time.
 
Deacon923 said:
i think the point is that very few americans want a true "socialist" planned economy, and even fewer have any interest in pushing for that, but a great many Americans want and will vote for a robust and fair capitalist economy with a substantially more generous safety net, paid for higher taxes on the people who get the most benefit out of said capitalist economy.

The main issue that is left out the linked piece is the role of organized labor. Germany and the Nordics have very robust labor participation in the governance of private sector businesses, whereas here unions are nearly extinct in the private sector. I think it is difficult to organize a fair capitalist economy if capital gets to make all the rules and can steamroll labor every time.
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I don't view these forces as something to balance or "find the right mix of." Capitalism and socialism are at odds. The reason why DSA is anti-capitalist is that we reject the idea that liberalism is capable of sustaining reforms on capitalism.
 

I love authoritative observations that make arguments about how a hypothetical proportion of a hypothetical population in the mold of x and y people (who, we are led to believe, are basically the same person, despite not knowing what that characterization actually means, or if they're even actually similar) seem not to know or care about what the observer believes that they should believe.

I've heard Bernie Sanders and AOC speak intelligently about modern social democracies. I guess Williamson's concern trolling was for naught.
 
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