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The New Socialists

i guess this is what respect for the oppressed class looks like: an auto mechanic is equated with a prostitute. classy.
Put your reading glasses on, man. I was obviously using your stupid analogy to compare sex work with driving for uber.
They are both subsistence level exploitative gig economy jobs that provide virtually zero economic security. Also, slow your roll shaming sex work. At least sex workers can keep all their wages. I remember when Uber didnt even let you tip the driver.
 
So people like Catamount truly believe these innovations are dreamed up by the best and the brightest and the risk-takers and the entrepreneurs, when they are really just capitalism instituting reforms to preserve its own power.

you know Capitalism isn't, like, an actual invisible hand, right?
 
Put your reading glasses on, man. I was obviously using your stupid analogy to compare sex work with driving for uber.
They are both subsistence level exploitative gig economy jobs that provide virtually zero economic security. Also, slow your roll shaming sex work. At least sex workers can keep all their wages. I remember when Uber didnt even let you tip the driver.

i'm sure you tip the tech who rotates your tires, too
 
I'm sorry but do you ever intend to provide a counter-argument or just move goalposts and respond to posts with shit like this?

to the argument that ridesharing, rather than a reaction to decades of poor but expensive service provided by taxis, is rather part of the grand centrist-liberal backed Capitalist conspiracy to keep traffic congested??
 
lots of people in lots of industries get tips, regardless of wage structure

I’ll state the question differently, then. Are Uber drivers and mechanics comparable cases? Or, were you just trying to serve mdmh an easy L?
 
If that is how you want to intentionally reconstruct my argument, when I've provided plenty of substance for you to address more directly, then I don't know what to tell you.
 
Uber and Lyft should be Top 5 targets of socialists. The companies cash out massively. There is little to no upward mobility or futures for drivers. The companies provide little to no benefits for drivers. Drivers aren't even covered by unemployment.
 
to the argument that ridesharing, rather than a reaction to decades of poor but expensive service provided by taxis, is rather part of the grand centrist-liberal backed Capitalist conspiracy to keep traffic congested??

Posts like this make me miss jhmd. Dude was just so much better at trolling/owning the commielibs.
 
Uber and Lyft should be Top 5 targets of socialists. The companies cash out massively. There is little to no upward mobility or futures for drivers. The companies provide little to no benefits for drivers. Drivers aren't even covered by unemployment.

The "gig" economy has been a fertile site of labor organizing for awhile now.

Have you seen Sorry to Bother You, RJ?
 
I’ll state the question differently, then. Are Uber drivers and mechanics comparable cases? Or, were you just trying to serve mdmh an easy L?

comparable enough; both are exploited, per his comments. but he chooses to tip uber drivers but not the proletarian turning the wrench for the shop owner
 
If that is how you want to intentionally reconstruct my argument, when I've provided plenty of substance for you to address more directly, then I don't know what to tell you.

that's fine, but it's a little ridiculous to imply that the state of traffic in the united states is due because "capitalists" wish it to be so to serve their purposes
 
that's fine, but it's a little ridiculous to imply that the state of traffic in the united states is due because "capitalists" wish it to be so to serve their purposes

Is it though? That's kind of what I'm asking. Is it ridiculous to believe that we have mass incarceration because of capitalists wish to suppress labor costs and make endless amounts of money through building new jails and exploiting prison labor?
 
The "gig" economy has been a fertile site of labor organizing for awhile now.

Have you seen Sorry to Bother You, RJ?

Yes. I was hoping to love but didn't...

Uber and Lyft could be in trouble in states like NY, NJ, PA, CA, IL, NV if unions got involved.
 
Is it though? That's kind of what I'm asking. Is it ridiculous to believe that we have mass incarceration because of capitalists wish to suppress labor costs and make endless amounts of money through building new jails and exploiting prison labor?

no, i agree about the state of mass incarceration as a result of prison lobby efforts.

perhaps you mean that traffic is a natural result of car culture in the US due with its roots in postwar american exceptionalism, individualism, and consumerism. ok, but I don't think that municipal planners are out to enrich Big Auto when they're widening the PA turnpike between Lancaster and Carlisle.
 
This is from 1973 and is still relevant:

The oil magnates were the first to perceive the prize that could be extracted from the wide distribution of the motorcar. If people could be induced to travel in cars, they could be sold the fuel necessary to move them. For the first time in history, people would become dependent for their locomotion on a commercial source of energy. There would be as many customers for the oil industry as there were motorists—and since there would be as many motorists as there were families, the entire population would become the oil merchants’ customers. The dream of every capitalist was about to come true. Everyone was going to depend for their daily needs on a commodity that a single industry held as a monopoly.

If the car is to prevail, there’s still one solution: get rid of the cities. That is, string them out for hundreds of miles along enormous roads, making them into highway suburbs. That’s what’s been done in the United States. Ivan Illich sums up the effect in these startling figures: “The typical American devotes more than 1500 hours a year (which is 30 hours a week, or 4 hours a day, including Sundays) to his [or her] car. This includes the time spent behind the wheel, both in motion and stopped, the hours of work to pay for it and to pay for gas, tires, tolls, insurance, tickets, and taxes .Thus it takes this American 1500 hours to go 6000 miles (in the course of a year). Three and a half miles take him (or her) one hour. In countries that do not have a transportation industry, people travel at exactly this speed on foot, with the added advantage that they can go wherever they want and aren’t restricted to asphalt roads.”

It is true, Illich points out, that in non-industrialized countries travel uses only 3 to 8% of people’s free time (which comes to about two to six hours a week). Thus a person on foot covers as many miles in an hour devoted to travel as a person in a car, but devotes 5 to 10 times less time in travel. Moral: The more widespread fast vehicles are within a society, the more time—beyond a certain point—people will spend and lose on travel. It’s a mathematical fact.

http://unevenearth.org/2018/08/the-social-ideology-of-the-motorcar/
 
no, i agree about the state of mass incarceration as a result of prison lobby efforts.

perhaps you mean that traffic is a natural result of car culture in the US due with its roots in postwar american exceptionalism, individualism, and consumerism. ok, but I don't think that municipal planners are out to enrich Big Auto when they're widening the PA turnpike between Lancaster and Carlisle.

But you say municipal planners as if they held more control over the design and construction of our cities, roads, and neighborhoods than did the auto industry. And I think I'm making an argument that the individualism and consumerism is forced on us by capitalism, and not a natural part of human nature.
 
well, i have to disagree. consumerism and to a lesser extent individualism are not modern human traits nor unique to capitalist societies. capitalism harnesses those traits in a more efficient manner but does not impose them on humanity
 
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