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The New Socialists

ImTheCaptain said:
what? it's not the fault of experts designing traffic systems that the timing of the invention of mass produced cars, middle class disposable income after wwII and culture of individualism gave rise to culture of the automobile.
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do they even have automobiles where you live? from what i've heard it's all beards and buggies
 
According to a recent report from the National Employment Law Project and Partnership for Working Families, Uber and Lyft together employ more lobbyists than Amazon, Microsoft and Walmart combined.
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Providing rides on demand requires flooding the streets with drivers. There has been an explosive growth of app-based drivers in New York City — from 25,000 in 2015 to 80,000 in 2018. According to the New School report, more than two-thirds of those drivers are working full-time and spend between 25 and 30 minutes of every hour driving around empty. As a result, 85 percent of them don’t even make a minimum wage after expenses. On top of that, this glut of drivers has added to congestion in one of the most traffic-jammed cities in the world.
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https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/09/uber-misclassification-gig-economy-taxi-workers-alliance
 
That's more like what I would have thought. Uber and Lyft make billions while their employees are given crumbs.
 
MHBDemon said:
I'm not sure what you are arguing. Do you think Uber and Lyft are solutions to our traffic problems?
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no, did anyone suggest they were some sort of "see, capitalism solves traffic!" retort?

you said that relying on experts created a world with awful traffic, implying that listening to the common man or perhaps some sort of crowd-sourced populist solution(s) over the past 60 years would've let me get to work 15 min faster this morning
 
Is there a traffic problem? People like to complain about traffic but traffic problems pretty much occur in the most liberal elements our society has to offer. If people wanted a solution a solution would occur but instead since you are dealing with irrational humans the decision to sit in an hour traffic for some form of freedom overrides everything at the moment.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
slams essay by a free-market blog, immediately cites Jacobin
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Why do you constantly engage with me like this? You really just want to be antagonistic and not have a discussion.

There is a difference in pointing out an author's bias working for a free market think tank while he doesn't provide any empirical data but uses an experience riding a commuter train to make his conclusions, and citing a leftist publication that cites and links to research. I'm not saying both instances can't have bias, but there is a distinction.
 
just a reminder, i didn't post on this thread or in your direction for days and you come in and drop a essay arguing against a straw man that didn't exist ("ITC thinks we should only find answers at think tanks !"
 
You set up the straw man. So good job i guess? If you have an argument against my original sentiment, or Albert's, feel free to share. Otherwise you just seem like you are trolling.
 
lol OK and I'm the antagonist.

still waiting to hear the DSA's plan to fix traffic (or anything) without input from expert sources.
 
Yeah without science or experts all that’s left is feelings and you know who loves to rely on feelings, the rube army.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
lol OK and I'm the antagonist.

still waiting to hear the DSA's plan to fix traffic (or anything) without input from expert sources.
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Maybe we are just arguing different things? But for the millionth time, you keep saying something that I'm literally not saying. I did just post an article that cited expert sources.

I think its possible we are talking past each other because we have different understandings of technocracy, where you may see it as benign experts doing science, where I see it through an anti-capitalist lens.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
Yeah without science or experts all that’s left is feelings and you know who loves to rely on feelings, the rube army.
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That Forbes article is short on science and long on feelings. Again, you are making the same mistake ITC is making to conflate fear of technocracy with being anti-science.
 
The new report was produced by researchers at the University of California, Davis Institute of Transportation Studies — one of five leading national transportation research centers funded by the U.S. Department of Transportation.

Uber and Lyft most likely add to traffic in major cities today
In this study based on data collected in major cities across America, we found that a large portion of travelers are substituting ride-hailing in place of public transit, biking, and walking trips, or would not have made the trips at all (Fig. 1). These trips, which are being substituted for or generated by ride-hailing, are most likely adding vehicles to the road in major metropolitan areas. There is a significant need for future research on the topic — the most recent findings from major cities seem to suggest that ride-hailing is likely adding to, not reducing traffic congestion.
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https://steps.ucdavis.edu/new-research-ride-hailing-impacts-travel-behavior/
 
Yeah but people are willing to add to congestion for the freedom to go where they want when they want to.
 
i've never heard someone argue that ridesharing livery companies were going to ease traffic problems...except by the companies themselves asking for permission to operate
 
ImTheCaptain said:
myself, among others, said that's dumb and basically the same tactic the far right used to get trump in power ( as well as squelch myriad other ideas throughout history)
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It's not the same "tactic" and you know that - you're purposefully conflating the rights grievance with scientific expertise, and the lefts grievance with corporate technocracy.
 
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