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The New Socialists

What a bunch of whining.


This place can certainly be a place for diversion/entertainment.

And a place to post your opinions and read the opinions of others. Even to learn from others. Regardless of whether exchanges often display humility, grace, or deference.


But yeah, I would agree with the notion that it’s generally better to enjoy the arguments and to try and keep the exchanges about issues and to try and avoid making the arguments personal, or about ourselves.

Unless, I suppose, you enjoy that.
 
PINEAPPLE said:
There is a difference, RJ. I was asking for other opinions about what the final Democratic ticket would look like next year. I was not making any attempt at a value judgment on their possible replies. You, on the other hand, are only asking for someone to affirm your "irrefutable" position. You seem to be so insecure that you constantly need affirmation to sooth your ego.
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Once again you are wrong. Insecurity of the position about Trump's racism is not at all an issue.

Can you dispute any of the events I listed about Trump? Remember, that's just a small list of what he's done over the past half-century.

I also asked an honest question to you regarding how many racist events can one person do before you'd call him a racist?

Of course, you ignore the fact that I said neither most nor all Republicans are racists.
 
ConnorEl said:
What a bunch of whining.


This place can certainly be a place for diversion/entertainment.

And a place to post your opinions and read the opinions of others. Even to learn from others. Regardless of whether exchanges often display humility, grace, or deference.


But yeah, I would agree with the notion that it’s generally better to enjoy the arguments and to try and keep the exchanges about issues and to try and avoid making the arguments personal, or about ourselves.

Unless, I suppose, you enjoy that.
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Let's go in reverse order.

I almost always defer to Connor.

In my younger days, I was a token white boy at a black night/dance club. I showed grace with my surroundings and on the dance floor. The moves may be a little slower, but I still have some of them.

As to humility, who could possibly be considered more humble than I have shown to be over the decades here? I mean really, dude???
 
The Republican party is now owned by a racist President and his racist "send her back" base. The most deadly domestic terrorist group in the U.S., white supremacists, is part of that base. Not every Repuclican is racist, obviously, but their party is now owned by racists and they aren't doing shit about it. In fact, they are letting them take over and gain power. Anyone who tries to deny that is not worth arguing with.
 
PINEAPPLE said:
That's a difficult question because the term itself is so subjective. I doubt that there are many people who do not harbor at least some idea about race that someone somewhere could describe as "racist". That in no way proves that this person is a racist, in my opinion. Unfortunately, the term has been used so cavalierly in political debate for so long now that it is in danger of losing any definable meaning. That is true of all these hot-button words like "socialist", "far left", "racist", "far-right", etc.....which was my point in an earlier post.

But to answer your question, personally I think one definition for the term "racist" could be someone who believes that one race is inherently inferior to another, and, more importantly, supports legislation that prevents that race from equal protection under the law and its right to "the pursuit of life, liberty & happiness", as is stated in our Declaration of Independence. And that, I hasten to add, is an opinion that is also open to widespread subjectivity.
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PhDeac said:
That describes the Republican Party.
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If someone doesn’t personally hold beliefs about racial superiority, but yet support policies and legislation that are either directly racist or have the same ultimate effects that a directly racist policy would have, then what would be a better descriptor?

Some folks reap the benefits of these policies or support politicians who promote them because they may do other things that benefit them, but don’t like to be confronted with the dirty reality of what other things result from their support. Like DG3 per his post. Or like every republican when you show them crying children at the border.
 
I mean, if you’re a Republican today and you’re not vehemently opposing trump’s agenda, which runs counter to conservative ideals historically, combined with his blatant assholery and dehumanization tactics of fellow Americans and immigrants, it’s so surprise you’ll catch flak for it. People like DG3 take the easy position of “I’m a victim, this place is a liberal echo chamber !” instead of debating the merits of his conservative positions and how they are reflected in today’s GOP. It’s much easier to not do the hard work on confronting reality, and the reality is today’s Republican Party is complicit in trump.
 
TownieDeac said:
Agreed, but for this part.
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It's not my fault that you weren't as accepted as I was at your age. Nor is it my fault, that I was hanging out with lots of fun and known people while you were doing a coordinated circle jerk with your internet warrior buddies.

Hmmm, which would a 30yo person rather do. dance with a Soul Train dancer or two or jerk off online with your Wake buddies???

That's a tough one.
 
06deacon said:
If someone doesn’t personally hold beliefs about racial superiority, but yet support policies and legislation that are either directly racist or have the same ultimate effects that a directly racist policy would have, then what would be a better descriptor?

Some folks reap the benefits of these policies or support politicians who promote them because they may do other things that benefit them, but don’t like to be confronted with the dirty reality of what other things result from their support. Like DG3 per his post. Or like every republican when you show them crying children at the border.
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The defense rests, your honor.
 
RJKarl said:
It's not my fault that you weren't as accepted as I was at your age. Nor is it my fault, that I was hanging out with lots of fun and known people while you were doing a coordinated circle jerk with your internet warrior buddies.

Hmmm, which would a 30yo person rather do. dance with a Soul Train dancer or two or jerk off online with your Wake buddies???

That's a tough one.
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Lol
 
DDA said:
I mean, if you’re a Republican today and you’re not vehemently opposing trump’s agenda, which runs counter to conservative ideals historically, combined with his blatant assholery and dehumanization tactics of fellow Americans and immigrants, it’s so surprise you’ll catch flak for it. People like DG3 take the easy position of “I’m a victim, this place is a liberal echo chamber !” instead of debating the merits of his conservative positions and how they are reflected in today’s GOP. It’s much easier to not do the hard work on confronting reality, and the reality is today’s Republican Party is complicit in trump.
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Since my high school days, when I first started paying attention to politics (Reagan's second term), the GOP has claimed to stand for "traditional family (conservative Catholic & Evangelical Protestant) values", balanced budgets and fiscal conservatism, free trade, and a federal government with rather limited powers and a good deal of power given over to the states, among other things. Under Trump (and really even under Dubya) the GOP has run record deficits, spent massive amounts of federal money on pet departments and projects they like (such as defense), dumped large amounts of tax money on welfare handouts to their base (Trump's payments to farmers, for example), waged trade wars and tariffs with other countries instead of free trade, and passed laws like the Patriot Act that have allowed unprecedented federal government access into people's private lives.

Not to mention their support of a thrice-married confessed adulterer and misogynist who is virtually the exact opposite of every "traditional" Christian value you can imagine, and whom even many conservative Christians admit they wouldn't want hanging around their daughters (yet they still support him.) Given all this, and much more, it's getting harder and harder to take conservatives seriously when they claim they still support conservative values, yet either defend and support Trump, or claim they don't support Trump but still spend most of their time defending his actions and attacking Democrats. At some point you're either faking it, or have become willfully blind to what you're actually supporting, or just maybe it's time to admit that American conservatism isn't what you thought it was, or is.
 
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DG3 said:
The defense rests, your honor.
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Come on man, what’s your take on the current Republican Party to which conservatism is traditionally tied? Tell us more rather play victim or deflect
 
DDA said:
I mean, if you’re a Republican today and you’re not vehemently opposing trump’s agenda, which runs counter to conservative ideals historically, combined with his blatant assholery and dehumanization tactics of fellow Americans and immigrants, it’s so surprise you’ll catch flak for it. People like DG3 take the easy position of “I’m a victim, this place is a liberal echo chamber !” instead of debating the merits of his conservative positions and how they are reflected in today’s GOP. It’s much easier to not do the hard work on confronting reality, and the reality is today’s Republican Party is complicit in trump.
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I was making a comment on the discourse in the Tunnels in totality. You guys are just as awful to each other. I'm not a victim, I welcome the hate. Flame on. The Tunnels meltdowns are what keep me coming back.
 
DG3, why won’t you comment on the state of the GOP?
 
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