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Trump Indicted

Interesting that it’s not detailed what “other crime” Trump intended to commit by falsifying the records. I don’t know NY law, but I am surprised that it does not need to be alleged since it’s clearly an element that needs to be proven.
 
If it's a crime to cover up a crime, does it matter that someone covered up something that wasn't a crime?
 
Yes, because it escalates from misdemeanor to felony.
 
What is the misdemeanor covering up?
 
Les Grossman said:
Interesting that it’s not detailed what “other crime” Trump intended to commit by falsifying the records. I don’t know NY law, but I am surprised that it does not need to be alleged since it’s clearly an element that needs to be proven.
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I read, on Vox I think, that the crime Trump was covering up was a federal law, I don’t know which one. So the DA is trying to prosecute Trump under state conspiracy laws related to a separate federal crime cover up. Sounds bizarre.

Here, I found the tweet. I don’t know how legit this guy is:

 
Ian Millhiser is normally a good reporter for Supreme Court news. I hope he’s wrong here.
 
The responses explain how Bragg debunked him.
 
Faced with criminal charges for the first time for any former president, Donald Trump ripped from a well-worn page in his playbook Tuesday night — lashing out with a, at times, bigoted speech full of lies and conspiracies.

And that's really no surprise.

Any time Trump has had his back against the wall, he's resorted to a familiar script:

  • Blast opponents;
  • Build an air of victimization;
  • Try to discredit accusers, questioning their motives and drawing tenuous lines of guilt by association to create perceived conflicts of interest;
  • Be as provocative as possible to deflect and distract even if that means resorting to conspiracies or simply making things up.
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  • It's a version of throwing things at the wall to see if they stick. And with his base, it's been all Velcro.
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Yep
 
From the same piece…

The next court date in this case isn't until December. A trial wouldn't begin until at least the beginning of the year or into the spring or later.
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That means one could be taking place right in the middle of the Republican presidential primary. And right now Trump is the clear front-runner for the GOP nomination once again. But that would mean a strong possibility of Republicans backing someone with pending criminal charges to advance to a general election.

At this point, Republicans seem perfectly OK with that. In that same NPR poll, 8 in 10 Republicans have a favorable opinion of Trump, and three-quarters think he should be president again.
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The GOP is lost to idiocy.
 
ConnorEl said:
From the same piece…





The GOP is lost to idiocy.
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Naw, just gotta dig a little deeper. I'll find one to vote for. Might need to move and change my residency when I do but thats a small price to pay to vote for my long held beliefs and avoid voting for a socialist democRAT.
 
Les Grossman said:
Interesting that it’s not detailed what “other crime” Trump intended to commit by falsifying the records. I don’t know NY law, but I am surprised that it does not need to be alleged since it’s clearly an element that needs to be proven.
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I'd imagine that the defense asks for a bill of particulars or whatever they call it in NY right? I mean seems difficult to move for a motion to dismiss without that...or I guess that could be the grounds. I don't know anything about NY criminal law so just thinking out loud
 
This is a hint as to a possible crime being covered up.

"The participants also took steps that mischaracterized, for tax purposes, the true nature of the payments made in furtherance of the scheme."

Paying out of pocket is with after tax money. Calling the payments "legal expenses" makes them business expenses. So tax fraud? Both NY state and federal income taxes.

Bragg may not feel he has enough to charge that, but if the defense asks...
 
From everything that has come out so far, I think the DA will (or already has) make an argument that there was intent to commit crimes under NY state election law, federal election law and NY state tax law. Federal election law seems like a stretch and state election law may be preempted by Federal election law. The state tax law argument seems like it would be the easiest path forward.
 
Yeah, I was expecting once things got unsealed to be like "ok, that makes some sense they're going after him for more than what's been reported" but nope. This is stupid.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
I'd imagine that the defense asks for a bill of particulars or whatever they call it in NY right? I mean seems difficult to move for a motion to dismiss without that...or I guess that could be the grounds. I don't know anything about NY criminal law so just thinking out loud
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I don’t know NY law either, but I do believe a Defendant is still entitled to know all the elements of a crime the State intends to prove against him. Seems odd that they can go into a trial and the defense is completely in the dark as to what “other crime” they will use. So, yes, I’d suspect a bill of particulars to be filed soon if I had to guess.
 
From someone who isn’t paying much attention to this, it’s extremely disheartening that the people who are paying the closest attention to Trumps indictment still don’t know what “intended” crime he is accused of, the mystery crime that somehow turned these misdemeanors into felonies. This all seems like a bunch of weak bullshit that Trump is going to skate on and make everyone who pursued this look like assholes.

It’s a goddamn shame that Trump will never have to account for the real blatant criminal shit he has gotten away with his whole life, especially as President.
 
Hope I’m wrong, but it seems really really late in the process for the experts to still be guessing about what the fuck is going on.
 
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