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Trump talks of ramping up war on drugs. Libertarians still feeling good about Trump?

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http://www.redstate.com/jimjamitis/2017/02/08/speech-police-chiefs-trump-promises-ramp-war-drugs/


In a speech to the Major Cities Chiefs Association this morning President Trump said it’s time to stop the flow of drugs into the United States. Fighting the illegal drug trade has proven to be an intractable problem for decades and many people say that the “war on drugs” has been lost, or at least that it is not winnable. Citing his border wall as a solution along with confidence in DHS Secretary Kelly, Trump apparently believes he will succeed where everyone else has failed.
 
Raise mandatory minimums, IMO. 50 years for possession. Get the riff raff off the streets, clean up the war zones that are our inner cities.
 
Legalizing is sorta cheaper than a wall
 
that's funny. I was just thinking the other day, if Trump wanted a quick win he would do his Authoritarian number on weed legalization across the board.

Just legalize it, then cite the "reduction in crime" that resulted. simple.
 
So despite most people believing we should abandon the war on drugs because of how it has failed over the past 30+ years, Trump believes we should "ramp it up"?

Unbelievable.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
So despite most people believing we should abandon the war on drugs because of how it has failed over the past 30+ years, Trump believes we should "ramp it up"?

Unbelievable.
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I'm sure he believes it is the best way to put those "bad hombres" out of business in Mexico. Little does he understand that it won't change a damn thing.
 
"The rhetoric of ‘law and order’ was first mobilized in the late 1950s as Southern governors and law enforcement officials attempted to generate and mobilize white opposition to the Civil Rights Movement. In the years following Brown v. Board of Education, civil rights activists used direct-action tactics in an effort to force reluctant Southern States to desegregate public facilities. Southern governors and law enforcement officials often characterized these tactics as criminal and argued that the rise of the Civil Rights Movement was indicative of a breakdown of law and order. Support of civil rights legislation was derided by Southern conservatives as merely ‘rewarding lawbreakers.’

For more than a decade – from the mid 1950s until the late 1960s – conservatives systematically and strategically linked opposition to civil rights legislation to calls for law and order, arguing that Martin Luther King Jr.’s philosophy of civil disobedience was a leading cause of crime."

And

"Barry Goldwater, in his 1964 presidential campaign, aggressively exploited the riots and fears of black crime, laying the foundation for the “get tough on crime” movement that would emerge years later. In a widely quoted speech, Goldwater warned voters, “Choose the way of [the Johnson] Administration and you have the way of mobs in the street.” Civil rights activists who argued that the uprisings were directly related to widespread police harassment and abuse were dismissed by conservatives out of hand. “If [blacks] conduct themselves in an orderly way, they will not have to worry about police brutality,” argued West Virginia senator Robert Byrd."


Either of these sound familiar/similar?
 
He's planning on Don, Jr., building and owning the new, for profit prisons.
 
Does he realize that cartels dgaf about his wall or tariffs? You are not going to be able to just cut them off. You can't tax them, you can't catch them. Hell, you can't even diplomatically shame them. There is a reason we are losing this war, and it has far more to do with what is going on this side of the border than the other. Kill the demand, and the supply will dwindle.

And no, that is not an endorsement for increased drug penalties.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-days-of-the-drug-war/?utm_term=.0938e126c2d3

"We're going to be ruthless in that fight. We have no choice. And we're going to take that fight to the drug cartels and work to liberate our communities from their terrible grip of violence."

The Zetas are just farmers with pitchforks, right? Surely we can take them out peacefully...

I commend the idea, and love his spirit. But this, like many other things he is proposing, is wildly impractical. I'll be rooting for him though, and praying for the innocent people in Mexico and South America.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
i guess this is what he was talking about when campaigning on negotiating better drug prices
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:rimshot:

He could just legalize cocaine and Americanize that industry. It's not every day you can help out farmers and the people on wall street with one simple ruling!
 
The so-called "war on drugs" was lost a long fucking time ago. Americans love drugs, let's face it. Legalization should be in any discussion, but we don't have the political will.
 
BirdinBama said:
The so-called "war on drugs" was lost a long fucking time ago. Americans love drugs, let's face it. Legalization should be in any discussion, but we don't have the political will.
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I think this is just a matter of rural people seeing tragic decay in their communities, and feeling like we have done nothing in the war on drugs; when the reality is that we have spent a fortune and can't stop it. Most people who understand what is happening agree that attacking the cartels is a futile endeavor. We should be focusing on fixing the culture here in America first. AMERICA FIRST DONALD!
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
"The rhetoric of ‘law and order’ was first mobilized in the late 1950s as Southern governors and law enforcement officials attempted to generate and mobilize white opposition to the Civil Rights Movement. In the years following Brown v. Board of Education, civil rights activists used direct-action tactics in an effort to force reluctant Southern States to desegregate public facilities. Southern governors and law enforcement officials often characterized these tactics as criminal and argued that the rise of the Civil Rights Movement was indicative of a breakdown of law and order. Support of civil rights legislation was derided by Southern conservatives as merely ‘rewarding lawbreakers.’

For more than a decade – from the mid 1950s until the late 1960s – conservatives systematically and strategically linked opposition to civil rights legislation to calls for law and order, arguing that Martin Luther King Jr.’s philosophy of civil disobedience was a leading cause of crime."

And

"Barry Goldwater, in his 1964 presidential campaign, aggressively exploited the riots and fears of black crime, laying the foundation for the “get tough on crime” movement that would emerge years later. In a widely quoted speech, Goldwater warned voters, “Choose the way of [the Johnson] Administration and you have the way of mobs in the street.” Civil rights activists who argued that the uprisings were directly related to widespread police harassment and abuse were dismissed by conservatives out of hand. “If [blacks] conduct themselves in an orderly way, they will not have to worry about police brutality,” argued West Virginia senator Robert Byrd."


Either of these sound familiar/similar?
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Good post. That's why it's hard to believe young BKF ever fought for civil rights because he sounds like the people he supposedly opposed.

They use policy to legally and brutally respond to people fighting for their rights.
 
buckets said:
Legalizing is sorta cheaper than a wall
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They should legalize weed and start a government grown crop...start working on the enormous debt that it looks like trump will put us in with the wall and tax cuts.
 
warak said:
They should legalize weed and start a government grown crop...start working on the enormous debt that it looks like trump will put us in with the wall and tax cuts.
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Are you somehow under the impression that we're not already in enormous debt?
 
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