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Wake Baseball 2018

“Kids are going to have cheaper options. And again, Wake Forest is a great academic school but it’s not an Ivy League school. So when you start to make decisions between Carolina and Wake Forest, it’s a similar education at a huge difference,” Walter said. “That’s why we typically get into those metropolitan areas … we say $70,000 to most families in North Carolina and it’s like, total sticker-shock.

I hope this is not Walter’s real recruiting pitch
 
Whatever his recruiting pitch is clearly working so I wouldn’t be worried about it
 
CharlotteDeac1 said:
Whatever his recruiting pitch is clearly working so I wouldn’t be worried about it
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Clearly working? Look at Vandy's recruting and then look at Wake's. Once we start at least making the NCAAs routinely, I'll buy that it's working.
 
Bubble Boy said:
Clearly working? Look at Vandy's recruting and then look at Wake's. Once we start at least making the NCAAs routinely, I'll buy that it's working.
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Talking about the last two years. Without checking, I think last year was top 30 and this year is top 25.
 
So who do we think we lose in the draft tomorrow? Griffin is guaranteed. MLBN has him as the 53rd overall. I assume Aiello still goes. Even if he could get drafted higher by staying, that doesn't equate to more money necessarily as he'll be a senior. Mueller and Steele are wild cards I have no clue about. Some seniors, especially Farrish, will be drafted at some point.
 
what happens with the draft will be pretty meaningful. sounds like there’s hope aiello might return (wonder if he’ll drop out of the top 10 rounds). but getting lavigne and cusick to school could be huge. anyone know how strong their commitments are?

really excited for the lineup — especially if steel can get back to last years form, aiello comes back and lavigne is as good as advertised. will be hard to fit everyone into the lineup.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
what happens with the draft will be pretty meaningful. sounds like there’s hope aiello might return (wonder if he’ll drop out of the top 10 rounds). but getting lavigne and cusick to school could be huge. anyone know how strong their commitments are?

really excited for the lineup — especially if steel can get back to last years form, aiello comes back and lavigne is as good as advertised. will be hard to fit everyone into the lineup.
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That is the kind of "problem" coaches prefer.
 
Lavigne is as good as gone, ton of helium for him late and he is likely to be drafted in the first 50 picks.
 
GPDeac said:
Lavigne is as good as gone, ton of helium for him late and he is likely to be drafted in the first 50 picks.
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Is admissions helping or hurting our program ? I have heard that two really outstanding prospects were turned away for unusual reasons. Both were outstanding students and wanted very much to attend Wake and be part of the baseball program.
 
deacdixieboy said:
So who do we think we lose in the draft tomorrow? Griffin is guaranteed. MLBN has him as the 53rd overall. I assume Aiello still goes. Even if he could get drafted higher by staying, that doesn't equate to more money necessarily as he'll be a senior. Mueller and Steele are wild cards I have no clue about. Some seniors, especially Farrish, will be drafted at some point.
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Roberts will go early (first two rounds). Aiello will go in the first 10 rounds or so. Mueller and Supple are likely to get drafted in the later rounds. After that, always possible with a 50 round draft that an MLB team will use at late pick for literally anyone that is draft eligible (Steele - only played in 9 games because of the suspension; Tyler Witt - 6-5 lefty who struck out almost 1 per inning; Harvey - junior catcher).

Perhaps more important will be to see who from the incoming recruiting class gets taken in the first 10 rounds (MLB teams will not want waste a top 10 round draft pick on a player that they cannot sign).
 
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Pilchard said:
Roberts will go early (first two rounds). Aiello will go in the first 10 rounds or so. Mueller and Supple are likely to get drafted in the later rounds. After that, always possible with a 50 round draft that an MLB team will use at late pick for literally anyone that is draft eligible (Steele - only played in 9 games because of the suspension; Tyler Witt - 6-5 lefty who struck out almost 1 per inning; Harvey - junior catcher).

Perhaps more important will be to see who from the incoming recruiting class gets taken in the first 10 rounds (MLB teams will not want waste a top 10 round draft pick on a player that they cannot sign).
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It's not that big of a difference, but the draft is only 40 rounds now.

Completely agree that at this point, it's more important which incoming freshmen get drafted and where. Think there's a strong feeling on who will be back (Harvey, Steel and Maronpot), who won't be (Roberts, Aiello and Supple) and who will be a toss-up (Mueller, Witt).

FWIW, talked with a couple of people at the ACC Tournament that feel Aiello is still a top-10 round pick. Easy to reason that he's the same player, he just spent the last two months of the season pressing. Draft him, sign him cheaper than you'd have thought entering the season and develop him. Seems logical.
 
shaggindeac2 said:
Is admissions helping or hurting our program ? I have heard that two really outstanding prospects were turned away for unusual reasons. Both were outstanding students and wanted very much to attend Wake and be part of the baseball program.
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Wake academic and admissions policies are hurting Baseball recruiting big time. The academic stance that JuCo credits don't count is the really big killer. Many good baseball players who are also good enough students to qualify for Wake out of HS go the JuCo route because of the Major league baseball draft eligibility schedule: after HS graduation, after JuCo graduation (2 years), after Junior year in four year college after college graduation. Many guys want the extra draft shot they get by going JuCo after HS. Also, two years of Wake tuition etc. on partial scholarship is a lot cheaper than four.

Does anybody know if Vandy and other similar schools accept JuCo credits as acceptable toward graduation?

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I knew someone who was a JuCo grad with a 4.0. He graduated from Wake with a 3.9. He then went to Med School at Bowman Gray (Wake), and was in medical practice for many years. Today he would never take one class at Wake because his JuCo credits wouldn't be any good.
 
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Deaconblue said:
Wake academic and admissions policies are hurting Baseball recruiting big time. The academic stance that JuCo credits don't count is the really big killer. Many good baseball players who are also good enough students to qualify for Wake out of HS go the JuCo route because of the Major league baseball draft eligibility schedule: after HS graduation, after JuCo graduation (2 years), after Junior year in four year college after college graduation. Many guys want the extra draft shot they get by going JuCo after HS. Also, two years of Wake tuition etc. on partial scholarship is a lot cheaper than four.

Does anybody know if Vandy and other similar schools accept JuCo credits as acceptable toward graduation?

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I knew someone who was a JuCo grad with a 4.0. He graduated from Wake with a 3.9. He then went to Med School at Bowman Gray (Wake), and was in medical practice for many years. Today he would never take one class at Wake because his JuCo credits wouldn't be any good.
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Surely our policy is not that NO JuCo credits count? Right? I'm assuming that maybe we are just pickier than other schools when deciding which credits will transfer?
 
scooter84 said:
Surely our policy is not that NO JuCo credits count? Right? I'm assuming that maybe we are just pickier than other schools when deciding which credits will transfer?
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Because Wake has so many departments (see below) that do not accept JuCo credits, JuCo transfers do not have sufficient credits (that Wake counts) to be in proper standing at Wake as juniors. E.g. freshman/sophomore English taken at a JuCo don't count at Wake. Also note that the evaluations are not done until the student actually is admittedto Wake.

So Wake is more than picky.

For your improved understanding, the following is copied from the official Wake web site:

[h=1]Transferring to WFU[/h]

Main Content[h=2]Information Applicable to All Transfer Students[/h]Once a student has been accepted as a transfer student by the Admissions Office, his/her transcript is sent to the Office of the University Registrar and the transfer process begins.
Wake Forest does not maintain articulation agreements with any other college or university – all decisions are made by the chair of the department where credit is being requested as to whether a course will transfer upon a student’s acceptance to the university. The department chair has the right to limit the amount of credit awarded, or to stipulate that a higher level course must be completed here at Wake Forest before a student may receive credit. No evaluations are done prior to a student being admitted. Please refer to specific departmental policies for further information.
There are also limits to the amount of transfer work you can bring into the major. The general rule is that you must take one half of the major at Wake but some departments have more stringent rules. You can direct inquiries about this to the appropriate department.
The Wake Forest departments listed below do not accept transfer work from a 2-year community or junior college:

  • Accounting
  • Anthropology
  • Biology
  • Business and Enterprise Management
  • Chemistry
  • Economics
  • English
  • Finance
  • Philosophy
  • Physics
  • Sociology
  • Women’s Studies
Once you have been admitted to Wake Forest, you will need to submit syllabi for all the courses you took or are taking at your current college or university.
In all cases a student must have earned a grade of “C” or better in order to transfer a course (a “C-” is not transferable). The grades you earned at your prior institution(s) do not factor into your Wake Forest GPA although they will appear on your transcript. You will be starting with a clean slate as far as your GPA is concerned. All work attempted at another college or university must be reported to the WFU Registrar, and all such courses must appear on the Wake Forest transcript. In order to graduate from Wake Forest you must complete at least half of your degree and half of your major at Wake Forest.







 
And for comparison, the following is from the Vanderbilt web site:

Credit transfer: The Office of Undergraduate Admissions does not evaluate transfer credit; instead, this process is completed by faculty in your intended area of study after the application and admissions process is complete. You can estimate how much of your credit will apply and where by exploring the Vanderbilt Course Catalog. If you find a Vanderbilt course that appears similar to one you took at your current institution, you will likely receive credit for that class – though of course there are no guarantees.


So Wake is operating under a major, MAJOR self imposed handicap in baseball recruiting compared to Wake's "peers,"
 
but how many JUCO transfers does Vandy baseball sign?

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sp...nfante-patrick-raby-dansby-swanson/327769002/

Recent Vandy #1 recruiting classes:
2017 recruiting class: 17 players, all high school
2015 recruiting class: 13 players, all high school
2012 recruiting class: 11 players, all high school
2011 recruiting class: 13 players, 12 high school, one JUCO - Drew VerHagen who has spent some quality time in MLB
2005 recruiting class: 16 players, 13 high school, 3 transfers - does not specify JUCO or 4-year (one of the freshmen was Pedro Alvarez)

so out of the 4 recent #1 recruiting classes Vandy has signed, 53 of the 54 players came straight from high school, and one was a (very good) JUCO transfer

seems like the bigger deal is how does a private school charging $70k+ (today) convince a Pedro Alvarez to come and pay part of that tuition?
 
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Deaconblue said:
And for comparison, the following is from the Vanderbilt web site:

Credit transfer: The Office of Undergraduate Admissions does not evaluate transfer credit; instead, this process is completed by faculty in your intended area of study after the application and admissions process is complete. You can estimate how much of your credit will apply and where by exploring the Vanderbilt Course Catalog. If you find a Vanderbilt course that appears similar to one you took at your current institution, you will likely receive credit for that class – though of course there are no guarantees.


So Wake is operating under a major, MAJOR self imposed handicap in baseball recruiting compared to Wake's "peers,"
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So how in the hell is Vandy or dook ala NCCU for that matter rated higher than Wake in the annual USN&WR rankings? :tard:
 
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