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White Supremacist Stabs Three in Portland

Are any of these white supremacist people affluent? Maybe if they got their factory jobs back they'd chill out.

There was some ugly stuff that came out around Dylann Roof about affluent politicians with links to not so veiled white supremacist organizations.
 
Then again I was just walking down the street 1 minute ago posting on the chat thread with some Taco Bell looking at my phone and this seemed to inspire a poor black dude to yell at me for the past 45 seconds, glad he didn't have a knife, and that it was 3pm instead of 3am when everyone's drunk.

Becoming more socialist and providing the safety net will help, or maybe it angers the midwestern rubes, more. But just driving past something like skid row makes it seem
Unconscionable that we let fellow Americans live like that.

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Many Americans are a few bad breaks from skid row.
 
Many Americans are a few bad breaks from skid row.

Most Americans should have someone in their lives they can turn to, otherwise they're probably pretty shitty people. I'm guessing pride is what takes the non shitty people there. I've had to ask for a loan from a friend from time to time.

On the flip side the sheer amount of people living paycheck to paycheck is terrifying as hell. If we have another depression with the current savings levels, it'll be anarchy. And OWG's aren't built to survive anarchy.

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Most Americans have someone they can turn to, but not for a meaningful loan. People help each other however they can. Often they get criticized for it. Look how wealthy white people bust on working class and middle class Millennials for living with their parents.
 
Most Americans should have someone in their lives they can turn to, otherwise they're probably pretty shitty people. I'm guessing pride is what takes the non shitty people there. I've had to ask for a loan from a friend from time to time.

On the flip side the sheer amount of people living paycheck to paycheck is terrifying as hell. If we have another depression with the current savings levels, it'll be anarchy. And OWG's aren't built to survive anarchy.

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I been offline for a bit and late to this thread so I'll start with saying this story is sickening. Dems I think you would find that majority of people Dems and Pubs want this to be stopped. Nobody supports this so what do you suggest. Is your answer that because there are domestic acts of terrorism committed by white supremacists that we shouldn't care about the radicalization of Muslims? Also the owg s I know are built a hell of a lot better to handle anarchy then most snowflakes I know.
 
Most Americans have someone they can turn to, but not for a meaningful loan. People help each other however they can. Often they get criticized for it. Look how wealthy white people bust on working class and middle class Millennials for living with their parents.

I think it's really hard for anyone over 35 to relate to coming out of school with $100k in debt. Seems like good intentions (government subsidies) gone wrong in the real world. Make them dischargable in bankruptcy and the admin bloat and costs go down fast. Also make the schools have some skin in the game. Those that don't provide value will go outta business quick.

The tech sector will put them all out of business soon enough, however.

My 4 semesters of French, first year seminar on the chaos theory, and pretty much every literature and religion class I took was pretty much a waste.


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I think it's really hard for anyone over 35 to relate to coming out of school with $100k in debt. Seems like good intentions (government subsidies) gone wrong in the real world. Make them dischargable in bankruptcy and the admin bloat and costs go down fast. Also make the schools have some skin in the game. Those that don't provide value will go outta business quick.

The tech sector will put them all out of business soon enough, however.


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Or just limit the amount of loans that can be given.
 
Or just limit the amount of loans that can be given.

What other debt other than child support isn't discharged in bankruptcy? I don't see the logic of protecting student loans, that's why everyone's willing to hand them out like candy, they know they'll be repaid, it's risk free.

I took the max amount of loans i possibly could, at one of the most expensive schools in the country and came outta there with less than 40k in debt just 13 years ago. Said on another thread was at happy hour with a co-worker with 150k in debt , 31 and has to live with her parents. $1,300/mo payment and I think the deduction is capped at 2,500/yr. in her profession will also likely take another 10 years to start making enough to comfortably live, and she already has 7 years experience.


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I think it's really hard for anyone over 35 to relate to coming out of school with $100k in debt. Seems like good intentions (government subsidies) gone wrong in the real world. Make them dischargable in bankruptcy and the admin bloat and costs go down fast. Also make the schools have some skin in the game. Those that don't provide value will go outta business quick.

The tech sector will put them all out of business soon enough, however.

My 4 semesters of French, first year seminar on the chaos theory, and pretty much every literature and religion class I took was pretty much a waste.


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It goes beyond student loans. It's people who have had help and help their kids criticizing poorer people for doing the same.
 
It goes beyond student loans. It's people who have had help and help their kids criticizing poorer people for doing the same.

Outside of the living at home example (which I don't think has real consequences other than people WANT to be on a their own as a result) What are you referring to?


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Outside of the living at home example (which I don't think has real consequences other than people WANT to be on a their own as a result) What are you referring to?


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What you were referring to, Americans needing someone to turn to. There are laws that make it tougher for people to help each other out or help themselves out without going through government or private sector channels.

Efforts to set up a government infrastructure for people to take care of each other are derided as a culture of dependency by the same people who think the estate tax is some ridiculous burden.
 
What other debt other than child support isn't discharged in bankruptcy? I don't see the logic of protecting student loans, that's why everyone's willing to hand them out like candy, they know they'll be repaid, it's risk free.k

Student loans are not dischargeable because they are $100ks of unsecured loans given to 18 year olds.

Make them dischargeable and everyone would just declare bankruptcy the day they graduated, take the 7 year credit hit, and leave the government holding the trillion dollar bag.
 
Student loans are not dischargeable because they are $100ks of unsecured loans given to 18 year olds.

Make them dischargeable and everyone would just declare bankruptcy the day they graduated, take the 7 year credit hit, and leave the government holding the trillion dollar bag.

Then leave it to private lenders. Wake will cost $10k a year in no time.

Or they'll drop it back around $25k, and the government springs for a few elite public universities where given certain test scores, everyone can get a good education.

If you're getting a 1050 SAT, let's not invest $200k in your higher education


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Then leave it to private lenders. Wake will cost $10k a year in no time.

Or they'll drop it back around $25k, and the government springs for a few elite public universities where given certain test scores, everyone can get a good education.

If you're getting a 1050 SAT, let's not invest $200k in your higher education


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Private loans aren't dischargeable either.
 
I been offline for a bit and late to this thread so I'll start with saying this story is sickening. Dems I think you would find that majority of people Dems and Pubs want this to be stopped. Nobody supports this so what do you suggest. Is your answer that because there are domestic acts of terrorism committed by white supremacists that we shouldn't care about the radicalization of Muslims? Also the owg s I know are built a hell of a lot better to handle anarchy then most snowflakes I know.

Better life conditions and economic mobility for working class people will make it far less likely for radicalization (of the Muslim or Christian variety - I don't care) to take hold. Radicals and fundamentalists thrive in communities where poor people feel hopeless. The only way to defeat terrorism with roots in fundamentalist religion (or a bastardized version of religion) is to give people a reasonable alternative. Right and left centrists making themselves and their friends rich has been horrible for American democracy.
 
I been offline for a bit and late to this thread so I'll start with saying this story is sickening. Dems I think you would find that majority of people Dems and Pubs want this to be stopped. Nobody supports this so what do you suggest. Is your answer that because there are domestic acts of terrorism committed by white supremacists that we shouldn't care about the radicalization of Muslims? Also the owg s I know are built a hell of a lot better to handle anarchy then most snowflakes I know.

What is the "this" that "nobody supports?"
 
Dan Rather
13 hrs ·

Dear President Trump,

Their names were Taliesin Myrddin Namkai-Meche and Ricky John Best. One was a recent college graduate. The other was an army veteran and father of four. I wish we would hear you say these names, or even just tweet them. They were brave Americans who died at the hands of someone who, when all the facts are collected, we may have every right to call a terrorist. A third brave man, Micah David-Cole Fletcher, was wounded in the knife attack.

This story may not neatly fit into a narrative you pushed on the campaign trail and that has followed you into the White House. They were not killed by an undocumented immigrant or a "radical Islamic terrorist." They were killed in an act of civic love, facing down a man allegedly spewing hate speech directed at two teenage girls, one of whom was wearing a hijab. That man seems to have a public record of "extremist ideology" - a term issued by the Portland Police Bureau.

This "extremism" may be of a different type than gets most of your attention, or even the attention in the press. But that doesn't make it any less serious, or deadly. And this kind of "extremism" is on the rise, especially in the wake of your political ascendency. Most people who study these sorts of things do not think that is a coincidence. I do not blame you directly for this incident. Nor do I think other people should. But what a President says, who he has around him, and the tone he sets can set the tone for the nation at large.

Perhaps Portland, Oregon is off your radar. It is, after all, a rather liberal place. It's even a "sanctuary city." But it is still an American city. And you are its President. Two Americans have died leaving family and friends behind. They are mourned by millions more who are also deeply worried about what might come next.

I hope you can find it worthy of your time to take notice.
 
Student loans are not dischargeable because they are $100ks of unsecured loans given to 18 year olds.

Make them dischargeable and everyone would just declare bankruptcy the day they graduated, take the 7 year credit hit, and leave the government holding the trillion dollar bag.

If you make them dischargeable, someone might actually underwrite them. No one is going to give 100,000 to a 17 year old to go to college as an actual investment in 2017.
 
If you make them dischargeable, someone might actually underwrite them. No one is going to give 100,000 to a 17 year old to go to college as an actual investment in 2017.

Are you drunk? This makes zero sense.
 
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