Who has a Wife or Daughter going to the Woman's March on Washington?
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myDeaconmyhand
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Many people felt this way about Hillary. A major difference is that the Democratic party can't use religious idealogy to keep people in line.
What about the religion of PC?
ImTheCaptain
I disagree with you
mark me down as someone who would have rather the Dem party won the house/senate and white house even if the candidate(s) didn't share all my values
Looks like I need to start following Patton Oswalt on twitter again:
https://www.facebook.com/cody.bartz/media_set?set=a.10102408019012767.1073741829.37609883&type=3
https://twitter.com/hashtag/MensMarch?src=hash
https://www.facebook.com/cody.bartz/media_set?set=a.10102408019012767.1073741829.37609883&type=3
https://twitter.com/hashtag/MensMarch?src=hash
myDeaconmyhand
First man to get a team of horses up Bear Mountain
Me too. I'm just saying that in this election Hillary's particular baggage made her an especially egregious candidate
ImTheCaptain
I disagree with you
absolutely.
Look, I'll fall in line with almost any candidate that's got good environmental policy positions, but I am also not will to abandoned my principles either because a political party wants more votes. If Trump had some how captured the Democratic nomination instead of the Republican, I would not have voted for him and I'd be marching against him now.
myDeaconmyhand
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That is what I was talking about with our big tent party having to reach voters with different priorities. Even though Bernie and Hillary's platforms had great overlap, Bernie's message was economic equality and Hillary's was social equality. Her message was more popular with the Democratic primary voting base, but it may have cost her the rust belt.
ThinkingWithMyDeac
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Remember the huge march Saturday, starting out mostly about woman, guess who doesn't give a fuck!!
Executive order today reinstating the global gag rule, weeee
Executive order today reinstating the global gag rule, weeee
i sense a plot to destroy the jedi
Shooshmoo
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He's clearly a moderate.
If I didn't know better, I'd say mdmh is starting to get it...
myDeaconmyhand
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I've always "gotten it", you dingus. People with the economy and jobs as their highest priority voted for the candidate who had jobs and the economy as the highest priority. That doesn't mean those people reject progressive social justice.
WakeandBake
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or that the candidate who shouted the loudest about jobs and the economy knows what is best for the economy or the economies of those voters. or anything about economies in general.
or isn't just in it to line the pockets of the wealthy whom he could never get "in" with his whole life because he is a no-class douchebag relegated to hanging out with Don King and other ninkompoops and never accepted by the real tycoons he always wanted to be and now is going to serve faithfully
if only we would have let us show his feelings on woman prior judging his actions as president he might have decided not to sign the EO. or at least included a woman in the room where it was signed.
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of passing interest -- http://www.wsj.com/articles/women-march-for-everything-under-the-progressive-sun-1485117770
Women March for Everything Under the Progressive Sun
Millions find solidarity in protesting Trump, but no single cause unites them.
By Cori O’Connor
Jan. 22, 2017 3:42 p.m. ET
Washington
‘You’re so vain, you prolly think this march is about you,” read a sign at Saturday’s Women’s March on Washington. I thought to myself: This is about him, isn’t it?
I put that question to Breanne Butler, the march’s global coordinator, who insisted the answer was no: “This isn’t a march on Trump,” she said. “It’s a march on Washington,” including Congress, the Supreme Court and “any other representatives.” The message, according to Ms. Butler: “Hear our voices, we’ve been silenced. You need to take us into consideration. . . . We are America.”
That sounded a lot like the message voters were sending when they made Donald Trump president: They felt marginalized and voiceless. Ms. Butler, a 27-year-old New Yorker on sabbatical from her job as a pastry chef, said she hopes progressives and Trump voters can acknowledge their differences and find common ground, although she later called Mr. Trump’s election “a symptom of a bigger disease,” namely “complacency.”
Complacency didn’t seem to be a problem for the self-proclaimed “nasty women”—and men—who made the pilgrimage to the capital. They numbered perhaps half a million. And if Ms. Butler’s title, global coordinator, seemed grandiose for a march “on Washington,” it wasn’t. She had a hand in organizing more than 600 marches in every state and on all seven continents—yes, even Antarctica.
In Mr. Trump’s hometown, an estimated 400,000 people marched down Second Avenue. Women in Japan marched for higher education; in Ethiopia, for clean water. The Antarctic march took place aboard a boat.
The marchers in Washington seemed to have a million messages. One big theme was reproductive rights. “Get your policies out of my exam room,” read one sign defending Planned Parenthood. Others read “Save ACA, live long, and prosper,” “My body my business,” and “Reproductive rights are human rights.” Many women carried signs depicting the female anatomy or wore crocheted pink cat ears—a pun on a vulgar term Mr. Trump once uttered.
There were plenty of other pet causes. “Racial justice = LGBTQ issues,” read one sign. A popular poster featured a woman in an American-flag hijab and the words “We the people are greater than fear.” Forty-year-old Pablo Rosa, who immigrated to the U.S. when he was 13, carried a sign that said “Mexico owes US nothing.” Other posters called Mr. Trump “the Kremlin candidate” and “Putin’s pawn,” pleaded to “protect our planet,” and proclaimed: “Public education is a civil right.”
The mood on Saturday was upbeat—surprisingly so, given the divisions that emerged during the march’s planning. Leading up to the march several posts on the organization’s social media pages erupted in controversy. ShiShi Rose, a social media administrator for the march, wrote an Instagram post titled “White Allies Read Below.” She instructed that “no ally ever got very far without acknowledgment of their privilege daily” and informed white women that they “don’t just get to join because you’re scared too. I was born scared.”
The comments exploded. “This makes me not want to go now,” one woman wrote. “This is all for all women! Not just black, white but brown, Muslim etc.” Another observed that “women were suppressed throughout history. This is an event about women banding together, not tearing each other apart because you’re bitter.”
When I asked Ms. Butler about such exchanges, she said they had concerned her initially. But after reading one of the posts, she concluded its author had a point: “We aren’t taking your history into consideration, and we need to.”
It’s clear that Mr. Trump’s presidency is galvanizing progressive voters. A community organizer from New York told me that watching Mr. Trump choose his cabinet reminded her of playing “the opposite game,” nominating “the worst people who could possibly run these departments.”
Saturday was a comfort for many of the protesters, a succor for their Trump fears. But what will come of it? Organizers like to compare this protest to other women’s marches, and reporters have even likened it to the civil-rights movement. But the difference between #WhyIMarch, which could be followed by any reason under the progressive sun, and women advocating for the right to vote is their ability to articulate their mission and gather behind a single goal.
“If we can all agree that we need to secure the rights of these people that have been silenced,” Ms. Butler said, “I really see hope for our country’s future.” But it remains unclear what single accomplishment, short of President Trump’s removal from office, would give these protesters the feeling Susan B. Anthony would have had if she’d lived to see nationwide women’s suffrage.
Ms. O’Connor is an assistant editorial features editor at the Journal.
Women March for Everything Under the Progressive Sun
Millions find solidarity in protesting Trump, but no single cause unites them.
By Cori O’Connor
Jan. 22, 2017 3:42 p.m. ET
Washington
‘You’re so vain, you prolly think this march is about you,” read a sign at Saturday’s Women’s March on Washington. I thought to myself: This is about him, isn’t it?
I put that question to Breanne Butler, the march’s global coordinator, who insisted the answer was no: “This isn’t a march on Trump,” she said. “It’s a march on Washington,” including Congress, the Supreme Court and “any other representatives.” The message, according to Ms. Butler: “Hear our voices, we’ve been silenced. You need to take us into consideration. . . . We are America.”
That sounded a lot like the message voters were sending when they made Donald Trump president: They felt marginalized and voiceless. Ms. Butler, a 27-year-old New Yorker on sabbatical from her job as a pastry chef, said she hopes progressives and Trump voters can acknowledge their differences and find common ground, although she later called Mr. Trump’s election “a symptom of a bigger disease,” namely “complacency.”
Complacency didn’t seem to be a problem for the self-proclaimed “nasty women”—and men—who made the pilgrimage to the capital. They numbered perhaps half a million. And if Ms. Butler’s title, global coordinator, seemed grandiose for a march “on Washington,” it wasn’t. She had a hand in organizing more than 600 marches in every state and on all seven continents—yes, even Antarctica.
In Mr. Trump’s hometown, an estimated 400,000 people marched down Second Avenue. Women in Japan marched for higher education; in Ethiopia, for clean water. The Antarctic march took place aboard a boat.
The marchers in Washington seemed to have a million messages. One big theme was reproductive rights. “Get your policies out of my exam room,” read one sign defending Planned Parenthood. Others read “Save ACA, live long, and prosper,” “My body my business,” and “Reproductive rights are human rights.” Many women carried signs depicting the female anatomy or wore crocheted pink cat ears—a pun on a vulgar term Mr. Trump once uttered.
There were plenty of other pet causes. “Racial justice = LGBTQ issues,” read one sign. A popular poster featured a woman in an American-flag hijab and the words “We the people are greater than fear.” Forty-year-old Pablo Rosa, who immigrated to the U.S. when he was 13, carried a sign that said “Mexico owes US nothing.” Other posters called Mr. Trump “the Kremlin candidate” and “Putin’s pawn,” pleaded to “protect our planet,” and proclaimed: “Public education is a civil right.”
The mood on Saturday was upbeat—surprisingly so, given the divisions that emerged during the march’s planning. Leading up to the march several posts on the organization’s social media pages erupted in controversy. ShiShi Rose, a social media administrator for the march, wrote an Instagram post titled “White Allies Read Below.” She instructed that “no ally ever got very far without acknowledgment of their privilege daily” and informed white women that they “don’t just get to join because you’re scared too. I was born scared.”
The comments exploded. “This makes me not want to go now,” one woman wrote. “This is all for all women! Not just black, white but brown, Muslim etc.” Another observed that “women were suppressed throughout history. This is an event about women banding together, not tearing each other apart because you’re bitter.”
When I asked Ms. Butler about such exchanges, she said they had concerned her initially. But after reading one of the posts, she concluded its author had a point: “We aren’t taking your history into consideration, and we need to.”
It’s clear that Mr. Trump’s presidency is galvanizing progressive voters. A community organizer from New York told me that watching Mr. Trump choose his cabinet reminded her of playing “the opposite game,” nominating “the worst people who could possibly run these departments.”
Saturday was a comfort for many of the protesters, a succor for their Trump fears. But what will come of it? Organizers like to compare this protest to other women’s marches, and reporters have even likened it to the civil-rights movement. But the difference between #WhyIMarch, which could be followed by any reason under the progressive sun, and women advocating for the right to vote is their ability to articulate their mission and gather behind a single goal.
“If we can all agree that we need to secure the rights of these people that have been silenced,” Ms. Butler said, “I really see hope for our country’s future.” But it remains unclear what single accomplishment, short of President Trump’s removal from office, would give these protesters the feeling Susan B. Anthony would have had if she’d lived to see nationwide women’s suffrage.
Ms. O’Connor is an assistant editorial features editor at the Journal.
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Among the speakers at the Women’s March on Washington was feminist activist Donna Hylton. In 1985, Hylton was convicted in a New York court for her participation in the violent abduction, torture, and murder of Thomas Vigliarolo, a 60-year-old real estate broker. She is in demand on college campuses and elsewhere to speak about life in prison, and on her feminist perspective. Her website does not mention her conviction or the crimes ascribed to her. Four other were convicted as well.
Her website states that she is a “women's rights activist and criminal justice reform advocate,” who speaks about issues relating to incarcerated women and girls…” It noted that her life “took an unexpected and life-changing turn when as a child she was lured from Jamaica to the United States.” “Childhood abuse” and a “spiral of events” led to “her incarceration.”
According to a 1995 article in Psychology Today, Hylton was part of a gang hired by victim Vigliarolo’s former partner, Louis Miranda. The gang lured Vigliarolo to an apartment where, for as long as two weeks, they tortured him. One of Hylton’s accomplices, Rita Peters, would later explain why she shoved a yard-long metal rod up his rectum. Peters said, "He was a homo anyway." When asked how did she come to that conclusion, she said, "When I stuck the bar up his rectum he wiggled."
The article cited NYPD detective William Spurling who recounted Hylton’s chilling words about the kidnapping and murder of Vigliarolo. “Spurling himself interviewed Donna: ‘I couldn't believe this girl who was so intelligent and nice-looking could be so unemotional about what she was telling me she and her friends had done. They'd squeezed the victim's testicles with a pair of pliers, beat him, burned him. Actually, I thought the judge's sentence was lenient. Once a jailbird, always a jailbird.’” After Vigliarolo died, they stuffed his body in a trunk and left it to rot.
According to a 1985 petition for habeas corpus, “Petitioner and her co-defendants kidnapped Thomas Vigliarolo, a Long Island businessman, in order to obtain a ransom and that during the kidnapping, Vigliarolo died.” The petition, which was ultimately denied, indicated that it was on March 12, 1986, that a jury found Hylton guilty of second degree murder and two counts of first degree kidnapping. “Petitioner was sentenced to concurrent indeterminate prison terms of twenty-five years to life. People v. Hylton, 564 N.Y.S.2d 746 (1st Dep't 1991). “ She would spend 27 years in prison.
In a promo for a documentary for the CCTV network, which is controlled by the Chinese government, Hylton is heard to say, “Every person that represents an institution within this country is involved in the abuse that happened to me and so many other women. It doesn't matter black, brown, or white or whatever. A lot of the crimes that peopel are in prison for, especially women, are not crimes. They're situations."
When she was asked by CGTV, which is also an official Chinese media outlet, why she participated in the Women’s March on Washington, Hylton said, “First of all because I'm a woman. Because I'm a woman that spent 27 years in prison and we are the most marginalized of this demographic and we continue to be silenced, we continue to be negated, we continue to be vilified, we continue to be dehumanized…”
On her website, she is depicted in photographs alongside celebrities such as actor Steve Buscemi, feminist Gloria Steinem, and former Obama administration official Van Jones, who now appears regularly on CNN. In November, Hylton tweeted that Trump's election would endanger U.S. diplomatic ties to Europe.
http://www.speroforum.com/a/ISRZGUK...featured-speaker-at-Womens-March#.WIqTsXpOkv5
Her website states that she is a “women's rights activist and criminal justice reform advocate,” who speaks about issues relating to incarcerated women and girls…” It noted that her life “took an unexpected and life-changing turn when as a child she was lured from Jamaica to the United States.” “Childhood abuse” and a “spiral of events” led to “her incarceration.”
According to a 1995 article in Psychology Today, Hylton was part of a gang hired by victim Vigliarolo’s former partner, Louis Miranda. The gang lured Vigliarolo to an apartment where, for as long as two weeks, they tortured him. One of Hylton’s accomplices, Rita Peters, would later explain why she shoved a yard-long metal rod up his rectum. Peters said, "He was a homo anyway." When asked how did she come to that conclusion, she said, "When I stuck the bar up his rectum he wiggled."
The article cited NYPD detective William Spurling who recounted Hylton’s chilling words about the kidnapping and murder of Vigliarolo. “Spurling himself interviewed Donna: ‘I couldn't believe this girl who was so intelligent and nice-looking could be so unemotional about what she was telling me she and her friends had done. They'd squeezed the victim's testicles with a pair of pliers, beat him, burned him. Actually, I thought the judge's sentence was lenient. Once a jailbird, always a jailbird.’” After Vigliarolo died, they stuffed his body in a trunk and left it to rot.
According to a 1985 petition for habeas corpus, “Petitioner and her co-defendants kidnapped Thomas Vigliarolo, a Long Island businessman, in order to obtain a ransom and that during the kidnapping, Vigliarolo died.” The petition, which was ultimately denied, indicated that it was on March 12, 1986, that a jury found Hylton guilty of second degree murder and two counts of first degree kidnapping. “Petitioner was sentenced to concurrent indeterminate prison terms of twenty-five years to life. People v. Hylton, 564 N.Y.S.2d 746 (1st Dep't 1991). “ She would spend 27 years in prison.
In a promo for a documentary for the CCTV network, which is controlled by the Chinese government, Hylton is heard to say, “Every person that represents an institution within this country is involved in the abuse that happened to me and so many other women. It doesn't matter black, brown, or white or whatever. A lot of the crimes that peopel are in prison for, especially women, are not crimes. They're situations."
When she was asked by CGTV, which is also an official Chinese media outlet, why she participated in the Women’s March on Washington, Hylton said, “First of all because I'm a woman. Because I'm a woman that spent 27 years in prison and we are the most marginalized of this demographic and we continue to be silenced, we continue to be negated, we continue to be vilified, we continue to be dehumanized…”
On her website, she is depicted in photographs alongside celebrities such as actor Steve Buscemi, feminist Gloria Steinem, and former Obama administration official Van Jones, who now appears regularly on CNN. In November, Hylton tweeted that Trump's election would endanger U.S. diplomatic ties to Europe.
http://www.speroforum.com/a/ISRZGUK...featured-speaker-at-Womens-March#.WIqTsXpOkv5
DeaconSig
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Shocking that a set of marches that involved millions of people would have at least one that was a rehabilitated criminal.